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Esaias · #**161** 09-23-2015, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

According to Malachi chapter 3:8-10

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Just a couple sincere questions....

1. Who paid tithes and offerings in the Old Testament?

2. Who received of that tithe and those offerings?

3. If God didn't physically receive it, then how was he robbed?

Please help me understand...
Thank u in advance!

To whom was the prophet speaking?

What exactly was to be tithed, how, when, where, and to whom?

Are you a priest of the tribe of Levi? Are you a Levite?

Who according to the Law was commanded to tithe? And what were they to tithe?

houston · #**162** 09-23-2015, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Was it spelled "Essaias"?

lol

I don't recall. He used to be a regular... Then he disappeared. I don't think I've seen him around since 2005 or 2006.

Esaias · #**163** 09-23-2015, 06:01 PM

Apparently, nobody was commanded to tithe un less they were farmers or ranchers/shepherds.

If a person just worked a trade or craft for wages, they did not tithe.

Also, tithes were to be paid in the form of food and drink.

Also, the tithe payer often ate their own tithe, along with the Levite, stranger, widow, and orphan.

It was long understood nobody paid tithe outside Palestine, anyway.

Teaching the word for a monetary fee or as an income source was considered execrable and repugnant. Teachers were however often fed and provided for by those whom they taught. But not as their "income source".

Nobody taught tithing, as 10% of gross wages or receipts payable every paycheck to the church until after the 1870s.

There is NO NT SCRIPTURE teaching Christians to pay ten percent of their income to the local church to pay a teaching elder a salary for teaching.

good samaritan · #**164** 09-23-2015, 06:02 PM

We live in a evil and rebellious generation. Many in this generation don't believe in honoring those who labor for them. If my pastor addressed a need to support with 50% support I would try my best. 10% percent giving has never destroyed someone financially, but in most cases it is the managing of the other 90%. If a person cannot live off of 90% percent of their wealth than they need to get rid of some things. I see the argument against tithing, but it should be made from the perspective of giving more rather than less. I question the motives of any gospel message that calls us to less rather than more. I would never condemn a struggling saint over their giving, but I would encourage all to be givers and 10% is just the tip of the ice burg.

Esaias · #**165** 09-23-2015, 06:05 PM

Nobody said give less.

We're just saying the modern tithe doctrine is a new fangled commandment of men and does not line up with God's Word.

good samaritan · #**166** 09-23-2015, 06:10 PM

There isn't any biblical account of the NT church tithing, but it is filled with sacrificially giving. I believe if we are wrong for tithe teaching it is that we are setting to low a bar. The NT church was giving all and that probably is where we need to teach people to start with their giving. Yes, Jesus did command some to sell all and follow him. Since the Acts church gives evidence of others giving all then that message must have been circulated.

good samaritan · #**167** 09-23-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Nobody said give less.

We're just saying the modern tithe doctrine is a new fangled commandment of men and does not line up with God's Word.

Tithing may be overemphasized and perverted, but it is a good support system to commit to. I don't think it is wrong to teach tithing, but a person must be careful not misrepresent scriptures in the process. Tithing is not a NT command, but it is a proven method of church support. Why would someone not be committed to the church of God. Disunity and stirring strife among brethren is something the NT forbids. To make out people as heretics over tithe teaching is what is regularly done on AFF, and for that, people may one day answer to God.

Originalist · #**168** 09-23-2015, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

There isn't any biblical account of the NT church tithing, but it is filled with sacrificially giving. I believe if we are wrong for tithe teaching it is that we are setting to low a bar. The NT church was giving all and that probably is where we need to teach people to start with their giving. Yes, Jesus did command some to sell all and follow him. Since the Acts church gives evidence of others giving all then that message must have been circulated.

Again, why obsess over a number (10) that God was never concerned with? There is no "bar" with God. It's whatever he leads, and he never leads wrong. If someone is not going to obey God in their giving, putting a man made percentage is not going to change that.

J.A. Perez · #**169** 09-23-2015, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

According to Malachi chapter 3:8-10

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Just a couple sincere questions....

1. Who paid tithes and offerings in the Old Testament?

2. Who received of that tithe and those offerings?

3. If God didn't physically receive it, then how was he robbed?

Please help me understand...
Thank u in advance!

Does anybody have a biblical answer to these three questions?

J.A. Perez · #**170** 09-23-2015, 06:57 PM

In Jesus day it seems as though in the court of women there was also a treasury.

The treasury didn't hold livestock, the treasury didn't hold animals, or clothes or food.

The treasury held money.

If you know anything about the temple, you would know this.

Apparently the type of tithes and offering monetarily changed and became what it had Eversince God had Solomon build the temple.

Matthew 12:31
And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.

And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:

For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

Come on Esaias,

Temple worship of tithes and offering of money existed in Malachi's day.

Just like it existed in the closing 3 1/2 years of the Old Testament.