Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

Prax keeps saying it wasn't a chokehold, but rather an MMA-style "takedown" maneuver. Yet, here is Garner on the ground...and well, look, the cop clearly has him in a chokehold. You can see his arm is under the chin and against the neck of Garner.

First primary cause of death: "compression of the neck..."

The photo doesn't lie. People lie. But that still image isn't altered and does not lie.

You can claim it wasn't a chokehold all you want. Does. Not. Matter. what you claim. What matters is the evidence - in this case, a still image from a video taken during the struggle.

You'd being dishonest. I said it was not a chokehold and explain that to mean it was not the ILLEGAL chokehold being talked about.

I NEVER once denied one arm was around the neck

What I said was THE OTHER arm was UNDER Eric's arm. That is a move about leverage not to choke his wind pipe

BTW..that's like the 5th time now you misrepresented me...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

Right. And he was known because of his priors. So because he had a rap sheet selling "loosies" they suspected him of doing the same that day and wanted to arrest him.

A cop needs more than mere suspicion of illegal activity to make an arrest. Probable cause is needed, and in order for there to be probable cause, they have to either witness him selling or have him identified as someone selling.

I haven't read anything from the NYPD saying either happened. The death of Garner has overshadowed the details of the arrest, including the probable cause.

Again, the cop who choked him and shoved his head and neck into the ground has been sued before for unlawful arrest. And another suit was settled and monies paid for the cop breaking the law.

Again...he was not the arresting officer

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

What kind of supporting evidence are you looking for?

Or let's approach it this way. What evidence would you require to admit the cops had probable cause to arrest the guy for selling loose cigs?

For me, if a cop says he saw someone doing something illegal that's enough in my mind that the guy should be arrested for that crime. The cop doesn't decide guilt or innocence though, that's up to the judge and/or jury. Being arrested is not the same thing as being guilty. I'm sure you understand the difference.

So what do you feel should be required before the police arrest a person?

I've seen some reports that a store owner called to complain

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No supporting evidence of intent to murder Eric

Pictures say a thousand words, he was killed by the police.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No supporting evidence of intent to murder Eric

I know, I know, the grand jury got this one right..........well, at least 88% right. That is why you all are having a hard time being convinced because of that 88%. Over the last several years I wonder how many bad guys got off because of the jury. I know O.J. Simpson was pleased, I'm sure the cop is pleased as well.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I know, I know, the grand jury got this one right..........well, at least 88% right. That is why you all are having a hard time being convinced because of that 88%. Over the last several years I wonder how many bad guys got off because of the jury. I know O.J. Simpson was pleased, I'm sure the cop is pleased as well.

He was resisting. Not 88% resisting. 100% resisting. Resisting arrest is a crime in and of itself.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Sasha

He was resisting. Not 88% resisting. 100% resisting. Resisting arrest is a crime in and of itself.

So, we resort to killing a man when they resist arrest?????? Okay. Sasha go back to post #133 so that you can know where the numbers come from, the court got it wrong based upon the percentage.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How should they have arrested a man resisting arrest?

anyone can be arrested without having their windpipe blocked.

[n david]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

So, we resort to killing a man when they resist arrest??????

It's the new Police way! Why bother deescalating a situation when you can just either shoot, stun or strongarm someone down to the ground.

[n david]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

anyone can be arrested without having their windpipe blocked.

True, but there wouldn't be any pseudo bravado in that. No fist bumps, high fives or drinks on the house for the takedown. It's about the action and adrenaline for these guys. Peacefully arresting Garner would have been boring.