Bundy Ranch, BLM, Harry Reid and the Chinese

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"People like him"....

Ignorant, dishonest, yet semi-religious, rural, Republican-registered white trash.

Most Republicans are not racist, but most 21st century American racists are Republican.

By the way, there are plenty of people who don't have ignorant racial hang-ups over any of other group of people EXCEPT black people-- that doesn't mean they're not racist. It just means their racist when it comes to black people.

I'd love to be able to see the full, unedited video and the parts preceding this small clip that the left has been gleefully running around portraying as racist.

I find it hard to believe that this 80-year old rancher would suddenly start talking about "the Negro" without a leading question or comment from the reporter.

And btw, the man isn't ignorant, nor is he dishonest or white trash. You're talking about an 80-year old man who has worked the ranch and land his whole life. He's worked more in a week at age 80 than you have in your whole life. This shows you're writing based on emotions, blatant prejudice and total ignorance instead of facts.

You don't keep a ranch that long being "ignorant, dishonest white trash." But I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand this.

[Pressing-On]

Jackson suggests welfare has been worse than slavery


BY MARKUS SCHMIDT Richmond Times-Dispatch | Updated 9 months ago

At a Juneteenth event in Newport News, E.W. Jackson, the Republican candidate for lieutenant governor, said slavery did not destroy black families, but government welfare programs launched in the 1960s caused them to deteriorate.

http://m.timesdispatch.com/news/stat....html?mode=jqm

[n david]

Questions or other comments preceding the quotes were not available, leaving unknown the context of Bundy’s response.

Well, how convenient for the NY Times and reporter Adam Nagourney... /sarcasm

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[n david]

Ammon Bundy told WND: “I was there standing right beside my father when he made those comments. He was reaching out to the black community.”

He explained his father was commenting on the fact that while blacks were “in slavery on plantations, now because of the welfare system, they continue to be in slavery.”

“He desires the black community to have freedom,” Ammon Bundy said.

“Growing up around him, and being beside him, I never once heard him say anything negative about any race,” Ammon Bundy said. “I wish I could say that about everyone else I’ve been around. The black community, the white community, they joke back and forth. My father’s never lowered himself.”

Of course, “his message was taken out of context,” he said.

The point was that the government “has kept them oppressed,” Ammon Bundy said. “They’ve never been given a situation to be able to thrive, get themselves out of slavery.”
He recalled his father’s respect for the black community and his gratitude.

The more I read on this, the more I think this reporter and the NY Times were being blatantly dishonest with their representation of Bundy's comments.

Bundy is spot on. Even black leaders have been interviewed and agree with him.

Of course, JD thinks Bundy's "ignorant," "racist," "dishonest" "white trash."

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Originally Posted by n david

The more I read on this, the more I think this reporter and the NY Times were being blatantly dishonest with their representation of Bundy's comments.

Bundy is spot on. Even black leaders have been interviewed and agree with him.

Of course, JD thinks Bundy's "ignorant," "racist," "dishonest" "white trash."

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You could pretty well tell that at the outset just reading Bundy's initial comments.

What made the situation worse, for me, was when Sean Hannity, Greta Vansusteren and Megyn Kelly threw him under the bus. I was especially disappointed in David Webb.

Well, at least Alan Keys gets it.

Black leader says Bundy remarks not racist
Contends rancher talking about harm to African-Americans by 'leftist socialism'

“I find it appalling that we basically have a history of the leftist liberalism that wants to extinguish black people by abortion [and] destroying the family structure,” Keyes told WND. “All of these things if you just look at the effects, you would say this was planned by some racist madman to destroy the black community.”

Then when somebody comes along to comment on that damage, the leftists all scream “racism,” he said.

“I think it’s time somebody started to recognize the racism that exists in its effects – the hard leftist ideology using the black community for their sacrificial lamb, for their sick ideology. It’s time we called them what they are,” he said.

“Now it’s racist to point it out.”

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/black-lea...ks-not-racist/

[Pressing-On]

Cruz Sends Letter to Bureau of Land Management
Supports Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott’s request for answers regarding Red River lands
April 25, 2014

WASHINGTON, DC -- U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, yesterday issued the following letter to the Bureau of Land Management asking the agency to respond to concerns raised by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott about the Red River Boundary Compact and associated lands. View the letter below:

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1145

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

The more I read on this, the more I think this reporter and the NY Times were being blatantly dishonest with their representation of Bundy's comments.

Bundy is spot on. Even black leaders have been interviewed and agree with him.

Of course, JD thinks Bundy's "ignorant," "racist," "dishonest" "white trash."

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Whether the law at the center of this discussion is wrong is not here or there and needs to be discussed and/or corrected within the legislature of the State of Nevada.

The NY Times was wrong and absolutely blatantly dishonest in their representation of Bundy's comments. I hope Mr. Bundy and his family sues them for defamation and/or libel-- which ever is appropriate.

I was wrong about Bundy being racist white trash.

Bundy is still wrong legally and some of the tactics of his supporters was and will always be wrong.

The fiasco that occurred at his ranch was not a practice of peaceful, civil disobedience. In fact, the mere presence of fire arms in the hands of the dissenters in this specific situation charged the atmosphere of the stand-off, encouraging the dissenters to plot and plan for their own bloodshed and the bloodshed of the Federal LEO's who were simply carrying out their SWORN DUTIES. There simply isn't a credible defense for their actions and the charged atmosphere that the Bundy supporters created.

As the law stands right now, he is a criminal and has been a criminal for over 20 years!

If the law is "corrected", he would still owe the back fees and the government would have every right to collect those fees.

He has lost THREE COURT APPEALS! Why this doesn't cause most Bundy supporters to pause is beyond me.

Wesley Snipes tried and several other Hollywood celebs have tried to fight the State and Federal laws surrounding income taxes-- some even citing religion as the reason for their continued acts of civil disobedience.

They have ALWAYS been found guilty and most have been sent to jail and saddled with additional fees they wouldn't have had to pay if they had just obeyed the law in the first place.

The Bundy situation is not much different at all from Snipes tax situation. Until the laws are legislatively or judiciously changed, it is his duty as a citizen to comply with those laws.

If he doesn't comply with those laws, he should expect to face the consequences.


I just want to make clear that, in light of the context of Mr. Bundy's racial diatribe, I was wrong to call him racist white trash.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Whether the law at the center of this discussion is wrong is not here or there and needs to be discussed and/or corrected within the legislature of the State of Nevada.

The NY Times was wrong and absolutely blatantly dishonest in their representation of Bundy's comments. I hope Mr. Bundy and his family sues them for defamation and/or libel-- which ever is appropriate.

I was wrong about Bundy being racist white trash.

Bundy is still wrong legally and some of the tactics of his supporters was and will always be wrong.

The fiasco that occurred at his ranch was not a practice of peaceful, civil disobedience. In fact, the mere presence of fire arms in the hands of the dissenters in this specific situation charged the atmosphere of the stand-off, encouraging the dissenters to plot and plan for their own bloodshed and the bloodshed of the Federal LEO's who were simply carrying out their SWORN DUTIES. There simply isn't a credible defense for their actions and the charged atmosphere that the Bundy supporters created.

As the law stands right now, he is a criminal and has been a criminal for over 20 years!

If the law is "corrected", he would still owe the back fees and the government would have every right to collect those fees.

He has lost THREE COURT APPEALS! Why this doesn't cause most Bundy supporters to pause is beyond me.

Wesley Snipes tried and several other Hollywood celebs have tried to fight the State and Federal laws surrounding income taxes-- some even citing religion as the reason for their continued acts of civil disobedience.

They have ALWAYS been found guilty and most have been sent to jail and saddled with additional fees they wouldn't have had to pay if they had just obeyed the law in the first place.

The Bundy situation is not much different at all from Snipes tax situation. Until the laws are legislatively or judiciously changed, it is his duty as a citizen to comply with those laws.

If he doesn't comply with those laws, he should expect to face the consequences.


I just want to make clear that, in light of the context of Mr. Bundy's racial diatribe, I was wrong to call him racist white trash.

Why the land belongs to Bundy
Exclusive: Ilana Mercer explains rancher's prescriptive rights via natural law


Nowhere in the course of this impoverished debate about the vanishing private-property rights of Cliven Bundy has John Locke’s thinking on the homesteading of property been mentioned. According to The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, “John Locke (1632–1704) is among the most influential political philosophers of the modern period,” whose “treatment of property is generally thought to be among his most important contributions in political thought.” Locke’s philosophy of natural rights informed the Founding Fathers’ ideas about the natural rights to “life, liberty, and estate.” Locke’s natural-rights doctrine found expression in the Declaration of Independence – the preamble, in particular – and in the thought of Thomas Jefferson.

Property, argued Locke, in “Two Treaties of Government,” begins in “the taking of any part of what is common, and removing it out of the state Nature.” When life-sustaining resources are in their natural state, “there must of necessity be a means to appropriate them some way or other before they can be of any use, or at all beneficial, to any particular men.” “And the taking of this or that part does not depend on the express consent of [mankind].”

Thus, “The fruit or venison which nourishes the wild Indian, who knows no enclosure, and is still a tenant in common, must be his, and so his – i.e., a part of him, that another can no longer have any right to it before it can do him any good for the support of his life,” contended Locke. And, “the grass my horse has bit, the turfs my servant has cut, and the ore I have digged in any place, where I have a right to them in common with others, become my property without the assignation or consent of anybody.” (Chapter 5: “Of Property”)

At the very least, Cliven Bundy possesses indisputable prescriptive rights to the land. A form of homesteading, prescriptive rights come about through protracted use of an unused tract of land.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/why-the-l...sTVQXDU14eV.99

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We need to get into the legalese of the issue and not the passion of it.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We need to get into the legalese of the issue and not the passion of it.

A Lawyer Discusses the Constitutionality of the Cliven Bundy Ranch Saga

The Ninth Circuit misconstrued Pollard, misapplied the Equal Footing Doctrine and along the way stepped on virtually every western state’s rights and freedoms of persons within those states.

AG: Is it your review that the 10th Amendment also applies to the Bundy’s claims?

GM: If the District court had gotten the Pollard case right, there would be no reason even to address the 10th Amendment. However, the Ninth Circuit seems to believe that the 10th Amendment doesn’t apply to real property rights, concluding a state may exercise jurisdiction over federal lands within its state so long as its exercise of power does not conflict with federal law. Really? The 10th Amendment provides that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Looks like the court got turned around on that one in Gardner and Bundy. Oh well, maybe next time…


Read the rest of this PolitiChicks.tv article here: http://politichicks.tv/column/lawyer...kCo4ZHvcCHz.99