Sit Down and Behave Yourself!

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

The truth is that in practice most of us are very close in our beliefs. The Apostolic movement is so far away from other christians on so several issues.

Like what?

Perhaps that's another thread but...I'm curious

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

Like what?

Perhaps that's another thread but...I'm curious

If you are an apostolic minister and don't know we got big problems.

1) Justification by faith through grace.
2) Water and spirit new birth being the Acts 2:38 formula.
3) Initial evidence doctrine (you cannot have the holy spirit unless you speak in tongues).
4) Trinity (this goes back hundreds of years)
5) Holiness Standards
6) Obedience to a three-step formula as a condition of new birth (repentance, baptism, and holy ghost baptism).


Feel free to start another thread on this topic if you wish. It might be very interesting.

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

If you are an apostolic minister and don't know we got big problems.

1) Justification by faith through grace.
2) Water and spirit new birth being the Acts 2:38 formula.
3) Initial evidence doctrine (you cannot have the holy spirit unless you speak in tongues).
4) Trinity (this goes back hundreds of years)
5) Holiness Standards
6) Obedience to a three-step formula as a condition of new birth (repentance, baptism, and holy ghost baptism).


Feel free to start another thread on this topic if you wish. It might be very interesting.

Well why start off with insults? If I am...we have problems...

Have you ever heard of asking a question for the sake of conversation and to get someone elses perspective?

Since you are a self proclaimed Calvanist, Baptist, Trinitarian and I'm not, then I thought you would be able to name what you saw as differences IN YOUR view point.

But nevermind. I'm no longer interested. Thanks.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

Well why start off with insults? If I am...we have problems...

Have you ever heard of asking a question for the sake of conversation and to get someone elses perspective?

Since you are a self proclaimed Calvanist, Baptist, Trinitarian and I'm not, then I thought you would be able to name what you saw as differences IN YOUR view point.

But nevermind. I'm no longer interested. Thanks.

Maybe you are on your phone or something but I put a happy face after the sentence meaning that I think you probably already know the differences.

There are a couple of guys on here that are always changing names and it isn't worth having a discussion with them.

I just didn't want to hijack the thread. Start a thread and we will have a good discussion without any bashing or hating.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Well, when you find out you have been duped and manipulated your whole life and then start to tell the truth about the sacred cows of a certain group they might thing you are spiteful.

Thank you for confirming my last two posts

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Makes you wonder why the UPC churches are now copying the "worldly" churches.

Here is a trinitarian song for you Prax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IfLSrQVAYE

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Oh what a bitter pill you have swallowed. All I ever see anymore is criticisms from you.
No it does not make me wonder that. That is where YOU came from, not me.

And BTW non UPC churches were doing Oneness Pentecostal songs in their churches for years

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I hear mockery. I hear reticule. I hear spite

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Well, when you find out you have been duped and manipulated your whole life and then start to tell the truth about the sacred cows of a certain group they might thing you are spiteful.

Case in point. It's not the "truth" that was the issue, nor your opinion. It's HOW you express it. It's the fact that it seems to be the ONLY thing you ever have to say. It get's old

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't think DG's post comes off as "bitter." Prax makes a good point about "Trinitarians" having used "Oneness" songs. The inter-flow of material is an historic reality.

However, it's pretty much the "Oneness" side that has condemned the "Trinitarian" side to hell for most of the past 100 years or so. That is a rather "bitter" tone.

His "in your face" response to me posting a song we use, I thought was rude and frankly I see it from a lot of Xers. They can't just disagree with a doctrine, they have to be flippant.

And they have to use sweeping generalizations to lable us all when they had no evidence of such an attitude in any previous postings

Pel, I don't know where you all have been but let me remind you that it was the Trinitarians that expelled the Oneness brothers from their group. It has been the Trinitarians for decades that labled us Heretics and Cultists. And if anyone is still not sure, read the posts of Deltaguiltar who is no longer Oneness for the rants he has against us....

I constantly run into Trinitarians, whether Xers or not, who offer nothing but vitriolic anti Oneness rants, condemnation (Yes we are told we don't know Christ and are not saved), mockery and redicule.

It is not and has not been JUST the OPs. The Trinitarians got a great PR campaign going on but I'm not buying it.

And perhaps the OPs are the way they are stemming from their exile from the AOG and resulting marginalizing.

But the fact is not every OP is condenming Trinitarians. The converse is also true.

I have no problem with genuine criticism where criticism is due. Im not interested in the in your face kinds of postings I often see.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Yeah. I hate it when all I hear is "reticule" from some people. C'mon folks. Lighten up on the "reticule."

You don't know what reticule is? Let's ask Coadie, Im sure he knows

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

That is not personally attacking. I don't say that others are personally attacking me when my beliefs are criticized and trust me, my Calvinist baptist trinitarian beliefs will be attacked without much thought around here.

You didn't question my beliefs. You threw me in with this

Makes you wonder why the UPC churches are now copying the "worldly" churches.

As if me, my church and the entire UPC has that attitude towards other churches. I don't appreciate it and no that is not you merely criticising my beliefs, because it wasn't all. I saw that as a flippant response

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

The truth is that in practice most of us are very close in our beliefs. The Apostolic movement is so far away from other christians on so several issues.

Marginalized again.

Personally I don't care that we disagree on certain issues nor am I going to conform for the sake of peer pressure.

But the fact remains that from MY Perspective it's just as much Trinitarians who attack other groups, other than their own belief systems, and marginalizes them