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03-18-2011, 07:30 PM
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Re: Was Jesus born again?
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Sounds like he is saying we go through the same thing spiritually when we are born again that JEsus did when he experienced the resurrection.. another words birth of the Spirit is the same as his resurrection..
that is what it sounds like but I don't know
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We don't. Having your body raised from the dead is NOT what happens to us when we are born again...
Was Lazarus born again when he was resurrected?
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03-18-2011, 07:32 PM
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Re: Was Jesus born again?
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born = brought forth. Jesus was the first to be brought forth from death.
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That is not true.
The term "firstborn" is a totally different word than born or begotten. It's a noun indicating status. The first person resurrected can be found in the OT
Jesus was, however, the first person transformed into a glorified man
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-18-2011, 07:33 PM
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Re: Was Jesus born again?
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What about BEGOTTEN? Why did the apostle apply Psalm 2's reference to being begotten to His resurrection? Are we not resurrected WITH Him when saved (Ro 6:11, 13)? |
He was brought forth from the dead, not saved from his sins which is what Jesus was talking about in Jn 3 a totally DIFFERENT purpose for using the word "born"
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-18-2011, 10:20 PM
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Re: Was Jesus born again?
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And I answered you over and over and over lol. How many times do I need to answer? Acts 13 is speaking about the RESURRECTION. |
You never explained the main thing I have requested. Why is the term BEGOTTEN used for his resurrection? Everyone knows Acts 13 is resurrection. But why use BEGOTTEN?
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It's NOT the same kind of BIRTH that Jn 3:3-5 is speaking of.
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How many times must I say John 3 is not the issue?
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One is speaking about a Spiritual change, resulting in being saved and the other is speaking of being resurrected.
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but why use the term BEGOTTEN?
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Lazarus was not born again when he was resurrected. He was raised from the dead.
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Agreed.
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2 different things. How many times do I need to repeat that? lol
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I never said they were the same thing. lol. You are not getting my question<, I guess and I do not know how else to ask it.
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If you insist that every time the word "begotten" appears it means born again then the bible is just a silly contradiction
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I only said it is second birth because Jesus was begotten in the conception of Mary and then is said to be begotten again at His resurrection. Now, can you finally tell me why begotten is used for resurrection? It is TWO begettings whether they are the same thing or not. No one said they were the same thing. And firstborn form the death shows a second birth as well, ALBEIT WE KNOW its not the same kind of birth.
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Look up how many times the word born and begotten is used and tell me it means "born again" as Jesus meant it in Jn 3...that's absurd. It's referring to something different
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I never said it was the same thing. Got it now?
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This is like the 5th time I've posted this
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And you are not getting my question as evident by the responses you are giving. Don't you think it could that you are consistently missing what I am actually asking since I continue after you say the same thing?
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03-18-2011, 10:22 PM
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Re: Was Jesus born again?
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He was brought forth from the dead, not saved from his sins which is what Jesus was talking about in Jn 3 a totally DIFFERENT purpose for using the word "born" |
How many times must I say Jesus was not saved from His sins?
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03-18-2011, 10:25 PM
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Re: Was Jesus born again?
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Well he would have obtained eternal life. Your point?
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I disagree with your conclusion, but I asked the question to see what your answer would be. The point is your answer claims man did not need Calvary as soon as man was born, in my estimation.
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03-18-2011, 10:45 PM
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Re: Was Jesus born again?
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How many times must I say Jesus was not saved from His sins?
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How many times must I point out that is what being born again is, being saved from sins.
This day have begotten you refers to resurrection. Why? It doesn't matter. What matters is in one place it says "born again" and in the other it does not. In one place it refers to resurrection and in the other it does not.
Thus, Jesus was NOT born again. Jesus was resurrected from the dead. If you want to call that "born from the dead" fine but these are two different kinds of events
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-19-2011, 12:04 AM
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Re: Was Jesus born again?
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Man oh man. Well, I guess I must say you're messed up over Romans 6-7 as I am sure you will say I am. |
uhmm, I'm sure you're right on this one. 
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03-19-2011, 01:51 AM
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Re: Was Jesus born again?
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How many times must I point out that is what being born again is, being saved from sins.
This day have begotten you refers to resurrection. Why? It doesn't matter. What matters is in one place it says "born again" and in the other it does not. In one place it refers to resurrection and in the other it does not.
Thus, Jesus was NOT born again. Jesus was resurrected from the dead. If you want to call that "born from the dead" fine but these are two different kinds of events
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Nah, being born again isn't about salvation from sins. Instead being born again is about faith. A byproduct of the faith that causes one to be born again is salvation from the sins he committed IF he committed any sins.
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03-19-2011, 10:31 AM
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Re: Was Jesus born again?
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How many times must I point out that is what being born again is, being saved from sins.
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FROM OUR perspective and the reason for our new birth, yes. But no matter how you slice it, Jesus was born twice and begotten twice, albeit in totally different ways from one another. Rising from death is a birth and begetting.
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This day have begotten you refers to resurrection. Why? It doesn't matter.
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It does matter. Have words lost all significance? Each word is particularly there for a reason and inspired of God to relate a truth. God means what He says with distinct purpose in mind.
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What matters is in one place it says "born again" and in the other it does not. In one place it refers to resurrection and in the other it does not.
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The synonyms are there. What is it with this "exact word" theology?
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Thus, Jesus was NOT born again. Jesus was resurrected from the dead. If you want to call that "born from the dead" fine but these are two different kinds of events
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I agree they were two different kinds of events. I said that several times. lol
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