I believe the scripture is rather "plain" in its meaning. It needs no interpretation.
That's the error, no matter the level, you are making an interpretation.
It may as well be the right one. Since you are a Master of Hebrew literature written thousands of years ago, and you feel confident lazily reading into ancient texts your 21st Centuriy biases, then have right at it.
I believe the scripture is rather "plain" in its meaning. It needs no interpretation.
You mean you know that if you do you will find it does not mean what you want to think it says.
your statement...it needs no interpretation, is one of the laziest ignorant statements I have heard, in supposed defense of the error of the "apostolic identiy" misinterpretation of this scripture that has been ripped from the 613 laws of Torah.
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YES.....show me this! Lets see it! Please. Pants origin...lets have it. By the way are you circumcised?
Ok so I missed that one, but that still doesn't mean that a lady is violating the word of God by taking a scripture out of context to make it say what you want it to say.
As to the second that falls firmly in the NONE OF YOU BUSINESS category.
Most often words of one syllable have Anglo-Saxon roots but occasionally one slips into English from the classics. One such is the word pants. Everyone knows the meaning of this word so why do I offer it to you here? It travelled a very interesting route to find its way to mean trousers or slacks.
William Safire cleverly explained this route in a N Y Times article in the Sunday Magazine section. I regret I do not have the date it was published.
In his article he explains that a Christian doctor was condemned to death by the Romans in the 3rd century for aiding the poor. He was to be beheaded but survived the six attempts to take his life. Later the Church canonized him, giving him the name "Saint Pantaleone". "Pan" is Greek for "all' and "leo" is the Latin word for "lion". He was given this title to recognize his strength and courage. In time he became the patron saint of physicians. Looking for such courage and strength in their sons, numerous boys were christened with his name.
Where did "pants" come into this picture? In ca. 800, in comic drama according to Robert Hendrickson in his book " Facts on File, An Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins", the fool in a comic production was called panteleon...all lion. In time this changed to "pantaloon". The actor was dressed in breeches that were tight below the knee but which bloused out in a full puffy fashion from the waist to the knee.
In the 18th century the costume became one worn by many men. This famous portrait found in the Louvre shows Louis XIV in a full pose, showing off his legs in a ''pantaloon'' costume. The term was shortened to "pants" in the 1840s. The term pantaloons continued to be used when referring to the undergarment worn by women under hoop skirts in the same period.
DA, those leaving are presented with some harsh realities. First, a rejection of those they've known for years. Second, the ugly reality that many UPC churches that leave deal with many issues not common with your local AOG or Baptist church down the road. It's as if the new-found freedom takes over. Instead of the raw Jesus culture, unfortunately, many turn to license for anything to feed their carnal appetite. They are leaving to fulfill a Jesus appetite, and instead encounter people unsure how to balance themselves without the heavy weights of Old Pentecost on their back. So, many fall. Some, wobble around. Some have permanent crooked backs. Some figure it out and get through it. But make no mistake, all of us are scarred, because we were wired in a such a way that viewed God, the church, the ministry and the world in a certain way that it's hard to undo.
WAS WONDERING WHEN WE RETURN TO THE OLD LANDMARKS?
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years." ---
Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss)
Dan,
Couldn't someone say that these pictures and testimonies were isolated incidents and didn't represent a "true sample" of today's "Holiness Standards"?
Possibly these woman cut their hair before the "revelation" of 1 Corinthians 11?
I dont think theres anything wrong with "open toed" shoes. Its not biblical. But the Bible does give authority to the minstry to use their own judgement. That is Biblical. Dont like it....go to another church. If it can be backed up with a Biblical "precept or principal" thats different.
Folks, that's a scary statement. Unfortunately, too many people believe this, that's why pastors can preach against oral sex, Christmas trees and county fairs, and people will still continue to support them with their tithe and offering.
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