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[mizpeh]

Can we knowingly sin and still be right with God without repentance?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

What is sin, Baron? What does sin do with our relationship with God? We should repent immediately upon realization that we have sinned. God is gracious and gives us a space to repent in which He deals with our hearts to convict us and lead us to repentance but what does that say about the heart of the one who knows they have sinned and does not repent?

Sin is missing the mark, I don't even know every time I miss it. If your asking do I believe I need to detail every failing and ask forgiveness for every sin then the answer is, NO. My sin has been paid for on the cross, all of it. Do I try to live a life pleasing to God, absolutely.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Can we knowingly sin and still be right with God without repentance?

Yes.

[Baron1710]

I am not aware of a Scripture that commands repentance of those who are living for God. repentance is always seen in relation to conversion, not in detailing the sins of one who has already repented.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Yes.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


What do you think John meant by "walk in darkness"?

Must we confess our sins to be forgiven and cleansed from all UNrighteousness? Or is it optional?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

I am not aware of a Scripture that commands repentance of those who are living for God. repentance is always seen in relation to conversion, not in detailing the sins of one who has already repented.

Check out the first few chapters of the book of Revelation.

Gotta go to bed.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:



What do you think John meant by "walk in darkness"?

Must we confess our sins to be forgiven and cleansed from all UNrighteousness? Or is it optional?

Walk as in lifestyle. The idea is keep on walking. Confession in this passage is in a general sense just as sin is in a general sense. I confessed on here tonight that I sin. It doesn't even tell us who to confess them to. To God? Others? both?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Check out the first few chapters of the book of Revelation.

Gotta go to bed.

I guess I will read that for the first time ever and interpret it to mean that I have to be perfect or I will go to hell. If perfection is required, I will have a lot of company, see you there.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

I am not aware of a Scripture that commands repentance of those who are living for God. repentance is always seen in relation to conversion, not in detailing the sins of one who has already repented.

I'm not sure that we have to remember every single detail of our sins and relay them verbally to God--that would become an endless litany of anxious confession.

But repent we must, at least a sincere "I'm sorry", trusting God to know the details:

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

And this one--written to the church:

Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:


Repentance required of an established church.

I apologize to strangers at the store if I accidentally bump into them...but I wouldn't apologize to God for disobeying Him? That doesn't sit quite right with me.

Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Whether you define repentance as confession, turning away from wrongdoing with or without confession, or both--repentance is necessary and beneficial.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I'm not sure that we have to remember every single detail of our sins and relay them verbally to God--that would become an endless litany of anxious confession.

But repent we must, at least a sincere "I'm sorry", trusting God to know the details:

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

And this one--written to the church:

Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:


Repentance required of an established church.

I apologize to strangers at the store if I accidentally bump into them...but I wouldn't apologize to God for disobeying Him? That doesn't sit quite right with me.

Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Whether you define repentance as confession, turning away from wrongdoing with or without confession, or both--repentance is necessary and beneficial.