Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

It is completely inconsistent to use Isaiah 3 as opposition for jewelry unless you take THIS passage into account as possible support for jewelry:

Eze 16:10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.
Eze 16:11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
Eze 16:12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
Eze 16:13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.
Eze 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.

Yes MissB!

Vote no to cherry pick'n and bible censorship...the whole book, the whole book please!!

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by Erasmus

One question I would like to ask here - why do you care what I or my wife wears? Are you genuinely concerned that wearing jewelry will damage my relationship with God -- or are you more concerned with getting me to look like you do? Or, do you think it would be better for you to not wear jewelry, because it offends your spirit; and leave me alone to wear jewelry, because it does not offend my spirit?

I personally don't wear any jewelry at all (not even a wedding ring), but not from a righteousness standpoint -- I just don't like the way it feels on me. My wife, however, wears jewelry almost daily. Since she started, I haven't noticed her walk with God grow any weaker -- in fact, it seems to have grown stronger (at least from what I can tell).

When I stand before God to account for my life, I don't think you will be there. And, when you're standing before God, I won't be there. It will be just Him and me, and I pray that I (and you) will be ready.

Why can't I write posts like this...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Deuteronomy 7:25 was specifically about gold and silver from idols. In fact it says do not take it unto thee. In the exodus from egypt God told his people to borrow the egyptians jewelry. Did God command his people to commit an abomination?

Isaiah 3 shows God taking away jewelry in judgment. It does not support your position.



He was not making a straw man. He was attempting to show the how your logic is flawed. Whether he was right or not you should address why the logic you are using on these verses could not be used to mean what he is claiming it does with those other passages.





As for the translation of 1 Peter 3:3. Here are the translations.

NIV© Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes.
NAS© Your adornment must not be merely external-- braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;
ISV© Your beauty should not be an external one, consisting of braided hair or the wearing of gold ornaments and dresses.
GWT© Wives must not let their beauty be something external. Beauty doesn't come from hairstyles, gold jewelry, or clothes.
KJV Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
AKJ Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
ASV Whose adorning let it not be the outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing jewels of gold, or of putting on apparel;
BBE Do not let your ornaments be those of the body such as dressing of the hair, or putting on of jewels of gold or fair clothing;
DRB Whose adorning let it not be the outward plaiting of the hair, or the wearing of gold, or the putting on of apparel:
DBY whose adorning let it not be that outward one of tressing of hair, and wearing gold, or putting on apparel;
ERV Whose adorning let it not be the outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing jewels of gold, or of putting on apparel;
WBS Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing gold, or of putting on apparel;
WEY Your adornment ought not to be a merely outward thing--one of plaiting the hair, putting on jewelry, or wearing beautiful dresses.
WEB Let your beauty be not just the outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing jewels of gold, or of putting on fine clothing;
YLT whose adorning -- let it not be that which is outward, of plaiting of hair, and of putting around of things of gold, or of putting on of garments,

I have bolded the translations that agree with me. Clearly there is quite a bit of variance on exactly how that verse should be translated. But a large enough number of them agree with me that I am not convinced that they are saying what you think they are. If you want to say it says something in the greek please post how the whole verse would read in the greek.


I wanted to add one other thing. The deuteronomy 22:5 verse is from the laws. 4 verses later there is a verse about having a battlement on your roof and the verse right after that is one about not wearing garments which are made of two materials. Tell me, do you do either of those things rdp?

I honestly don't have the time to deal w/ every argument that you've posted here, but will simply affirm that Deut. 7:25 grammatically says not to take the gold/silver that was actually on the people...not the idols. Yes, the context is idolatry....but that's just the point, the literal wearing of jewelry [not figurative passages such as Ezek. 16] has ALWAYS gone hand in hand w/ idolatry.

Deut. 22:5 specifically deals w/ what is classifies as an "Abomination to the LORD your God." Is what's an "Abomination to God" still an "Abomination to God" today:___________?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by noeticknight

1. You are correct in your definition, jewelry is not inherently evil. However, your comparing the wearing of jewelry to marijuana (substance abuse) is inappropriate and off base. Would you care to tell someone wearing a wedding ring or a Rolex that they are no less than someone smoking marijuana? You have taken a biblical principle and made a crude, rigid rule out of it. A rule that is so incomplete, no one can rightly defend it. Ministers are constantly revising their definitions to "plastic buttons that appear to be gold," and "hair pieces that resemble expensive diamonds." Here is your conundrum. You can never really justify half of what your brethren wear, because by design, most clothing is ornamentation on some level. There are ties that are more flashy than some necklaces. There are beautiful beads and and buttons that cost more than some rings. Is it bright colors or shininess, is it texture or design, that is so displeasing to God? I suppose you take issue with the wearing of such like objects or clothing? Should we boycott Nordstrom's and Saks Fifth too then? Would you have women wear burlap sacks? This approach accomplishes precisely what you have become, a crude judge of your brethren.

2. The biblical principle here is modesty and moderation. It is error to exclusively single out the wearing of jewelry as being equal to idolatry and paganism. You have attempted to "fill in the blanks" where scripture is silent. You and others have superseded the Holy Bible with this erroneous doctrine! I can give you more scripture for God's favor of ornamentation, precious stones and metals, and jewelry, than you can with your twisted hunk of convoluted junk meanings.

3. I see you have no problem putting your brethren on trial for what they wear. This is precisely the same problem the Apostle Paul dealt with in his epistles. Its called Pharisaism. It is also the basis for legalism. Your extreme example of wearing a bikini on the platform fails to address the issue. You are trapped my friend! To uphold this doctrine, you must continue to resist the Apostle Paul's admonishments and rebukes against condemning your brethren, following strange and diverse doctrines, and causing division. You have usurped the domain of God, in that you and others are willing to judge the intent of the heart, and prove mens rea upon all those that wear jewelry or such like apparel!

Don't have the time, but will simply ask if you understand the meaning of the word "not," as in "not.....the wearing of G-O-L-D"?????????? Seriously, what's hard to see here?

Wish I had time to deal categorically w/ your assertions above, but will just quickly say that we try to be as consistent as possible, or do you advocate inconsistency, & do you have any of your own????

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by rdp

Don't have the time, but will simply ask if you understand the meaning of the word "not," as in "not.....the wearing of G-O-L-D"?????????? Seriously, what's hard to see here?

Wish I had time to deal categorically w/ your assertions above, but will just quickly say that we try to be as consistent as possible, or do you advocate inconsistency, & do you have any of your own????

What about NOT wearing of apparel?

1 Peter 3:3 KJV Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by rdp

I honestly don't have the time to deal w/ every argument that you've posted here, but will simply affirm that Deut. 7:25 grammatically says not to take the gold/silver that was actually on the people...not the idols. Yes, the context is idolatry....but that's just the point, the literal wearing of jewelry [not figurative passages such as Ezek. 16] has ALWAYS gone hand in hand w/ idolatry.

Deut. 22:5 specifically deals w/ what is classifies as an "Abomination to the LORD your God." Is what's an "Abomination to God" still an "Abomination to God" today:___________?

Not here:

God gave it to Israel like He was giving His bride jewels. If this were wrong, God would not remotely condone waring jewelry by using it in words like this about His bride.

Ezekiel 16:10-13 KJV I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. (11) I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. (12) And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. (13) Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

[mfblume]

Someone already quoted Ezeki 16.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What about NOT wearing of apparel?

1 Peter 3:3 KJV Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

Aww, c'mon, mfblume,
next thing you know you'll be saying it's all right to wear clothes
despite the clear words of the Apostle Peter.

What part of "not" don't you understand?

You are on a slippery slope, Bro.

Better repent and get right with God.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sam

Aww, c'mon, mfblume,
next thing you know you'll be saying it's all right to wear clothes
despite the clear words of the Apostle Peter.

What part of "not" don't you understand?

You are on a slippery slope, Bro.

Better repent and get right with God.

Gawrsh. Yeah, I get your point. Woe is me. Woe is me.

[Josh Lechte]

Wow...this site is filled with libs trying to justify their worldy wants through the scripture. Why wear jewelry? Wearing jewelry only serves purpose for your ownselves. It gives no glory to God. You stubborn lukewarm libs are blind and hardened. You wanna do what you wanna do, regardless...you just twist or disregard the scripture to fit your sinful minds. Dispicable. Paul talked about your kind. It will be hard for you people to ever see the truth because your justifications of your wants and lusts of this world overwelm your humility to learn and submit yourself. I usually laugh at liberals...the libs in the political world, but you libs..I'm apalled and disgusted.