Generally, people that don't have anything substantive to add to the discussion resort to childish personal attacks. But hey if that's how you roll, don't let me stop you.
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Focused on taking the insurance industries money to stop health care reform and oh yea SEX and power.
We don't live in the past that is true but people are paying with their life's because Republicans did NOTHING.
They fought SS.
They fought Medicare.
They fought the Chips program.
They fought Medicaid.
The only thing they haven't fought against is lining their pockets.
and they were RIGHT on all of those! Light, is it right to steal from people? because all of those systems were created in a flawed manner! Every single thing you have mentioned is bankrupt and we cannot continue to pay for them in the way they are currently structured!
Berny Madov is sitting in jail right now for creating a sceme that is EXACTLY like the Social Security plan!
I do appreciate you making my point, but at least you ought to recognize that these things while well intentioned were designed horribly!
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Now lets look at the fact. Fact republicans were in charge of all three houses. If they had wanted oversight they could of put some restriction in both Co. but they didn't.
There is going to be a bi partisan investigation into that issue. Lets wait and see what comes of it.
not true light. for anything to happen in this country 60 Senators have to agree. the republicans never got that support from the dems in the senate to get real oversite of Fannie and Freddy.
THEY DID TRY. Dems blocked them. We have all seen the video!
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Isn't that something. They spent the last 8 years running up debt on a war in Iraq that was unnecessary well over $700 million dollars.
President Bush worked to get a Medicare drug benefit passed and I applaud him for it. It's been a help to the senior citizens in this country. You know what he and the Republican Congress didn't do though? They didn't pay for it. They never cut the budget to pay for that.
NOW, that the Dem's are wanting reforms those same people that didn't worry about paying for a war or prescription drug benefit are strict fiscal conservatives again. Seems very convenient doesn't it?
the deficit under GWB never reached more than 15% of GDP it is now in excess of 50% of GDP and growing under your guy.
no deficit spending is good but lets not act like the bad spending under bush compars to the insane spending under this nut.
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Generally, people that don't have anything substantive to add to the discussion resort to childish personal attacks. But hey if that's how you roll, don't let me stop you.
Like the spin and edit you made to the post ... did you learn that from Karl Rove or James Carville?
What else can be said. BHO's gone back on campaign promises and statements over and over again - like any other politician, yet you're completely willing and amazingly naive enough to take him at his word when he's done nothing to show he'll hold to it.
Generally, people who accuse others of personal attacks do so because they can't defend what was stated.
The Canada Health Act of 1984 set forth five criteria for federal funding for healthcare:
1) Public administration; 2) Universality; 3) Comprehensiveness; 4) Accessibility; and 5)
Portability (easy transfer when citizens move to new provinces). The federal government
enforces this act by its power to withhold funding to non-complying provinces [2].
• The public nature of the administration of Canadian healthcare contrasts with the mixed
private and public delivery of Canadian healthcare. That is, most physicians are in the private
sector, many working out of their own offices as with the United States [1]. There are also
both private and public healthcare facilities in Canada [3].
• Thus, the notion that Canada is “socialized medicine” is incorrect, since socialized
medicine refers to a system in which the government owns the means of delivering
healthcare (e.g. the British National Health System, in which most physicians and
healthcare facilities are in the public sector) [3].
• The Canadian government is unique in the world for prohibiting private health insurance that
duplicates benefits covered by the public system. The role of the private insurance
companies is mainly to address any gaps in coverage [1].
Financing
I wasn't going to post but I feel like Maple Leaf in that a lot of misinformation is coming on here.
Maple Leaf made good points that I agree with, I would like to point out the above points by a Doctor with the AMSA (American Medical Student Assn)
A professor from America called up on a our local Radio Station talk program called in with some interesting facts "before" Obama was elected:
Biggest supplier of 'Socialized Medicine" in the World.......?
United States Government with seniors, welfare, military, etc; 50% of the American medical system is "Socialized" already.
The US Government is biggest in amount of people cared for & amount of money paid.
So, even with that in place, why a disconnect of 42 million uninsured?
Why do Americans pay the highest rates in the world for Medical Coverage that in most cases doesn't even give 100% coverage?
I believe the biggest problem is "Greed" from the Medical industry, & Pharmaceutical companies.
That being said, I still believe any American reform is something for American's to decide and doesn't involve copying another Countries model but needs a made in America solution.
I have American's up here who have had open heart surgery, valve replacement, pacemakers implanted, & are very thankful that they got what they needed without visiting the poorhouse.
In Vancouver, we have one of the top Cancer centers, Spinal cord places, & Cardiac care in North America.
They are getting ready to build a new addition to BC Childrens hospital which will cost 750 million most of which will be privately funded!
So much for so called "socialized" medical care.
Nevertheless, I believe Americas primary problem is the huge 11 Trillion dollar debt that people around the world are starting to flee the American dollar & are rushing to our Dollar.
The Canada Health Act of 1984 set forth five criteria for federal funding for healthcare:
1) Public administration; 2) Universality; 3) Comprehensiveness; 4) Accessibility; and 5)
Portability (easy transfer when citizens move to new provinces). The federal government
enforces this act by its power to withhold funding to non-complying provinces [2].
• The public nature of the administration of Canadian healthcare contrasts with the mixed
private and public delivery of Canadian healthcare. That is, most physicians are in the private
sector, many working out of their own offices as with the United States [1]. There are also
both private and public healthcare facilities in Canada [3].
• Thus, the notion that Canada is “socialized medicine” is incorrect, since socialized
medicine refers to a system in which the government owns the means of delivering
healthcare (e.g. the British National Health System, in which most physicians and
healthcare facilities are in the public sector) [3].
• The Canadian government is unique in the world for prohibiting private health insurance that
duplicates benefits covered by the public system. The role of the private insurance
companies is mainly to address any gaps in coverage [1].
Financing
I wasn't going to post but I feel like Maple Leaf in that a lot of misinformation is coming on here.
Maple Leaf made good points that I agree with, I would like to point out the above points by a Doctor with the AMSA (American Medical Student Assn)
A professor from America called up on a our local Radio Station talk program called in with some interesting facts "before" Obama was elected:
Biggest supplier of 'Socialized Medicine" in the World.......?
United States Government with seniors, welfare, military, etc; 50% of the American medical system is "Socialized" already.
The US Government is biggest in amount of people cared for & amount of money paid.
So, even with that in place, why a disconnect of 42 million uninsured?
Why do Americans pay the highest rates in the world for Medical Coverage that in most cases doesn't even give 100% coverage?
I believe the biggest problem is "Greed" from the Medical industry, & Pharmaceutical companies.
That being said, I still believe any American reform is something for American's to decide and doesn't involve copying another Countries model but needs a made in America solution.
I have American's up here who have had open heart surgery, valve replacement, pacemakers implanted, & are very thankful that they got what they needed without visiting the poorhouse.
In Vancouver, we have one of the top Cancer centers, Spinal cord places, & Cardiac care in North America.
They are getting ready to build a new addition to BC Childrens hospital which will cost 750 million most of which will be privately funded!
So much for so called "socialized" medical care.
Nevertheless, I believe Americas primary problem is the huge 11 Trillion dollar debt that people around the world are starting to flee the American dollar & are rushing to our Dollar.
That is a pressing need!
Just my two cents.
Hey Ron don't confuse the right wing with facts, you will scramble their brain. Poor working slobs protecting the super rich. They live in a fantasy world where they still think some of the rich guys money will TRICKLE DOWN. They believed that B actor.
The Canada Health Act of 1984 set forth five criteria for federal funding for healthcare:
1) Public administration; 2) Universality; 3) Comprehensiveness; 4) Accessibility; and 5)
Portability (easy transfer when citizens move to new provinces). The federal government
enforces this act by its power to withhold funding to non-complying provinces [2].
• The public nature of the administration of Canadian healthcare contrasts with the mixed
private and public delivery of Canadian healthcare. That is, most physicians are in the private
sector, many working out of their own offices as with the United States [1]. There are also
both private and public healthcare facilities in Canada [3].
• Thus, the notion that Canada is “socialized medicine” is incorrect, since socialized
medicine refers to a system in which the government owns the means of delivering
healthcare (e.g. the British National Health System, in which most physicians and
healthcare facilities are in the public sector) [3].
• The Canadian government is unique in the world for prohibiting private health insurance that
duplicates benefits covered by the public system. The role of the private insurance
companies is mainly to address any gaps in coverage [1].
Financing
I wasn't going to post but I feel like Maple Leaf in that a lot of misinformation is coming on here.
Maple Leaf made good points that I agree with, I would like to point out the above points by a Doctor with the AMSA (American Medical Student Assn)
A professor from America called up on a our local Radio Station talk program called in with some interesting facts "before" Obama was elected:
Biggest supplier of 'Socialized Medicine" in the World.......?
United States Government with seniors, welfare, military, etc; 50% of the American medical system is "Socialized" already.
The US Government is biggest in amount of people cared for & amount of money paid.
So, even with that in place, why a disconnect of 42 million uninsured?
Why do Americans pay the highest rates in the world for Medical Coverage that in most cases doesn't even give 100% coverage?
I believe the biggest problem is "Greed" from the Medical industry, & Pharmaceutical companies.
That being said, I still believe any American reform is something for American's to decide and doesn't involve copying another Countries model but needs a made in America solution.
I have American's up here who have had open heart surgery, valve replacement, pacemakers implanted, & are very thankful that they got what they needed without visiting the poorhouse.
In Vancouver, we have one of the top Cancer centers, Spinal cord places, & Cardiac care in North America.
They are getting ready to build a new addition to BC Childrens hospital which will cost 750 million most of which will be privately funded!
So much for so called "socialized" medical care.
Nevertheless, I believe Americas primary problem is the huge 11 Trillion dollar debt that people around the world are starting to flee the American dollar & are rushing to our Dollar.
That is a pressing need!
Just my two cents.
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This thread has been very helpful in exposing the ugly truth about Canada's healthcare. So far we have learned:
Canadians, by and large, are happy with their healthcare.
Canada's healthcare costs less per capita and requires a smaller percentage of the national GDP to maintain than America's healthcare.
Canadian demographics present a larger challenge to funding healthcare due to higher welfare levels.
Only 1/4 of .5% of Canadians travel to the USA for healthcare. A larger percentage of Americans than Canadians travel outside of their country for healthcare.
Canadians have more confidence in their government than do their American neighbours.
So far this has been an interesting and informative thread.
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