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Old 04-06-2007, 07:02 PM
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I was reading something that Sister Ewing wrote. I can't remember what the name of the book was, but it was a collection of writings by a number of women.

I'm not against education, for the record, because of the fact some jobs require higher training and education. My brother had to pursue his Masters to become a Project Manager for a company he works with now. Of course, he moved out of Texas. Not sure that was God's will.

Anyway, what Sister Ewing said was, words to the effect, "We push our children's mindset to materialism, corporate world, jump in that convertible with the top down and take off your shirt. When they drive off and you clean out their closet you might be astonished to find, in the very back of the closet underneath everything, a baseball glove with five smooth stones - all they really wanted was God."

Just something to keep in mind as we push ourselves and our children into the American economic makeup.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone about education vs. lower education. Just wanted to share that. I never did forget it.
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I was reading something that Sister Ewing wrote. I can't remember what the name of the book was, but it was a collection of writings by a number of women.

I'm not against education, for the record, because of the fact some jobs require higher training and education. My brother had to pursue his Masters to become a Project Manager for a company he works with now. Of course, he moved out of Texas. Not sure that was God's will.

Anyway, what Sister Ewing said was, words to the effect, "We push our children's mindset to materialism, corporate world, jump in that convertible with the top down and take off your shirt. When they drive off and you clean out their closet you might be astonished to find, in the very back of the closet underneath everything, a baseball glove with five smooth stones - all they really wanted was God."

Just something to keep in mind as we push ourselves and our children into the American economic makeup.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone about education vs. lower education. Just wanted to share that. I never did forget it.
Nobody pushed me into anything... in fact it was watching my parents not give a lick about money that makes me focus on it so much... I don't want to worry for the rest of my life if the electric is going off tomorrow, and I probably overcompensate, according to some.
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Old 04-06-2007, 07:04 PM
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This is why I see it like chasing a carrot... if my dad feels he is in God's will, how long is he supposed to live like that?

Sorry, I know those are loaded questions... the answer is either:

A: "He must not be doing something right or God would bless him"
B: "If he just holds out a little longer, good things will happen"
C: "He will see his reward in Heaven".
There are people who have hard lives both in ministry and outside it.

My husband's parents had a really hard time and he grew up in very serious poverty - like I had never seen for sure.

His parents loved God and they served God and raised their family in church yet they had many disasters and never prospered in any of the ways we usually think prosperity as being.

I don't have all the answers. Some people prosper and seem to get through life with a minimum of hardship. Others just seem to go through one thing after another all the time.

There are people who although they may prosper financially have a LOT of problems in other ways.
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Old 04-06-2007, 07:05 PM
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I think this type of "preaching" is uncalled for. Especially when none of our bible colleges ar accredited. He is basically saying "throw your life away".
There are some very good Christian universities that have excellent curriculum. And these are great and safe for Christian youth that are going into business and pursuits other than the ministry. Unaccredited bible schools can be fine for ministry only, otherwise it is a waste of most students time.
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In the end people have to do what they feel is God's will for them. The most important thing is that our lives are lived for God however that works out for us individually.

And I do believe Brad that your parents WILL undoubtedly have a reward in heaven. May not help much down here but the promise is there anyhow.
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You're right, it's not my problem... yet. Unfortunately going any further into the conversation would be more than I am comfortable with... I was using them as an example, but there seem to be lots of pastors in this situation pastoring small Texas churches which are not home-missions but have barely stayed afloat for decades through multiple pastors... my dad feels it is his job to be the one who does not abandon these people or this town like all the rest have.
I took over a church from a man just like that. He had a heart of gold but also had some problems with setting boundaries. He also made many bad financial decisions over his lifetime. He put the church before his own family's welfare and subsequently died at 58 of a heart attack, leaving his family penniless. I don't think his problems were necessarily because of the church. But rather his own decisions.

I just could not do that to my family and told the church to grow up and take some responsibility for themselves.
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I took over a church from a man just like that. He had a heart of gold but also had some problems with setting boundaries. He also made many bad financial decisions over his lifetime. He put the church before his own family's welfare and subsequently died at 58 of a heart attack, leaving his family penniless. I don't think his problems were necessarily because of the church. But rather his own decisions.

I just could not do that to my family and told the church to grow up and take some responsibility for themselves.
You just did it again and said it better than I might have.
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This is why I see it like chasing a carrot... if my dad feels he is in God's will, how long is he supposed to live like that?
Sheltiedad- I don't believe that we will ever know and understand this side of life how and what work God wrought through the sacrafice of your parents. But I have no doubt, that heaven takes notice.

We measure others prematurely when we only look to their lives to date; and not the eternal things they have set in motion.

God told Abraham he would give him the land he walked upon and so Abraham began to walk. His destination turned out to be a place of famine and he had to go to Egypt for awhile fully in the will of God.

FAMINE????? How could it be that a man in the will of God could end up here?

But it gets even better. Abraham managed to walk all over land that didn't have oil reserves! Explain that to me!

Obviously, God's wealth is not as man would calculate it; either in dollars or what we think we contribute to the Kingdom of God in this life.

There is no safer more productive place to be than in the will of God; even when we can't understand it. We can count the seeds in an apple but we can't count the apples in a seed.
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You just did it again and said it better than I might have.
Well that's a compliment if I ever heard one
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Nobody pushed me into anything... in fact it was watching my parents not give a lick about money that makes me focus on it so much... I don't want to worry for the rest of my life if the electric is going off tomorrow, and I probably overcompensate, according to some.
Brad,
You're a wonderful son. I respect you highly for loving them so much!!!

They have you to take care of them. I honor them for their work.

Listen, I'll tell you a story. When I was in prayer the Lord told me who my husband was going to be and vice versa. I have never been hooked up with a man that made so little money! lol!

During one episode of our life we lost everything we had, but each other and our kids! LOL! We were so poor I couldn't buy a pair of tennis shoes to go walking in. One day I prayed that I could get some tennis shoes, somehow. The next morning I went walking in my torn tennis shoes and about two miles down the road a pair of ladies Reebok tennis shoes, in my size, were sitting in the middle of nowhere on the side of the road. I picked them up and took them home. My husband asked me where I got them. I said, "God gave them to me." Lots of stories just like that.

Today he is making $30 an hour with a high school education. That might not seem a lot to some people, but I am proud of him. He deserves it and God promised me if I obeyed Him and quit my sales job he would return everything.

I went through the most humiliating time. My family was astonished at how poor we were and criticized me unmercifully!!! I was so embarrassed I almost lost respect for my husband, but then I would pray and God would promise. I would believe and then I would not believe and I would cry and say, "Help me to be content in the state that I am in!!!!!!!"

We are doing well now! I've been a brat, off and on, and I don't deserve him or God's grace and mercy!!
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