What they are reporting goes way beyond mere hormonal issues. I am not playing the gender card here and I resent the implication that I am some sort of chauvenist. I am not. These revelations point to a basic incompetence and to an arrogance that refuses advice from the very people that are trying to help you and to a selfish focus on your own agenda to the disregard of the team. These are character issues, not hormonal issues.
A_PoMo, you are assuming that these "inside sources" are reporting accurately. Also, it is highly possible that Palin refused assistance because there was friction between the McCain/Palin camps, and maybe she didn't feel they had her best interests at heart. Who knows? I'm not one to take things just on the word of an anonymous source. Let them show their faces, let Palin respond, and then we'll have something to talk about. Quite frankly, though, I've never been one to be put off by temper or rudeness. Some people are just that way. McCain's alleged temper is a perfect example, to which I say, "Who cares?" It isn't a sin to be annoying or have a short temper. (Peter comes to mind. ) It isn't even a character issue, IMO, unless things go too far.
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BTW: Fox News tracking shows that McCain's numbers began to track toward the negative immediately after the Couric interview where Palin dropped the ball. This is one of the interviews where she refused advice and prep help from her advisers and didn't take the time even to review the questions even though they were available to her. That's very poor judgment and contributed to McCain's disaster. Was it the deciding factor in the election? Was she the deciding factor? I don't think so. I think McCain was doomed from the beginning and he ran and absolutely horrible campaign. McCain's biggest problem was the guy he saw in the mirror. But, Palin didn't help much after the first month. And these reports seem to indicate that she's not competent to second in line to the Oval Office.
IF that is true, it shows that she might have a stubborn streak, but I would like to hear from Palin as to what her reasons were, and then express my opinion. I don't like one sided information. However, I don't agree that any of the things that have been discussed on this thread, even if TRUE, show that she's incompetent or unqualified for the VP position. Look at Joe Biden--he has oodles of "experience", but he makes bigger gaffes in interviews than all the other candidates put together! In one interview, he didn't even answer the questions, just deflected with something lame like, "Are those real questions? Are you kidding?" [not a direct quote]
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Again, all of this is merely my opinion. I could be wrong. If it comes out that these reports are all fabrications then I'll change my view. But it's been reported and verified by independent news organizations so I formulate conclusions based on what I know to be true today. But, I frequently am wrong and am more than willing to admit my error. I don't take myself so seriously as to believe that I am infallible. Feel free to disagree. Unlike some ostriches around here, I welcome dissenting opinions. And unlike partisans around here I didn't have a horse in this race. I didn't vote for either one of these turkeys. So this isn't sour grapes from me that's for sure.
I wasn't referring to you when I mentioned sour grapes. If the McCain camp is releasing this info after the fact, it does seem like sour grapes. Even if it's TRUE, they shouldn't be releasing it. Quite frankly, SP sounds normal, and there have been quite a few "normal" people who have turned out to be great leaders.
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A Po Mo- I agree with you - I never felt comfortable with S. Palin as a V. P. candidate. Every time she spoke to a group I watched, I felt like she was reading me a bedtime story. After watching the Couric interview, I wondered why she did not have the questions before hand , because she was obviously unprepared. I think she will go on to run for the Senate- and I think she will be a good Senator. I did like that she was a fresh face and not the same ole Washington crowd. The Republican party is going to have to redefine itself into a party that is not an Old White Guy Party. JMO
Fox News reports that Palin didn't know Africa was a continent and did not know the member nations of the North American Free Trade Agreement -- the United States, Mexico and Canada -- when she was picked for vice president.
Perhaps the most dangerous allegation for Palin are reports in The New York Times and Newsweek that when she was urged by McCain adviser Nicole Wallace to buy three suits for the Republican convention and three suits for the campaign trail, she went on the now-infamous shopping spree at swank stores like Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus.
A Republican donor who agreed to foot a majority of the expenses was stunned when he received the bill, Newsweek reported. Both the Times and Newsweek report that the budget for the clothing was expected to be between $20,000 and $25,000. Instead, the amount reported by the Republican National Committee was $150,000.
You know, TK Burk, this just smacks of untruth. She was the one who sent the chef home from the governor's mansion, for heaven's sake!
If that much money was spent on clothes for her and her family, I highly doubt she did most of the buying. Don't know when she would have had time to spend that much money. She was too busy campaigning.
"Critics" within the McCain campaign revealed that she did not know Africa was a continent and Mexico, US and Canada comprised NAFTA.
OK. I still doubt it's the straight scoop.
I seriously doubt that a person who is an adult with a Bachelors degree in Journalism would not know that Africa is a continent rather than an individual country.
I just don't find that credible at all.
I think someone is just trying to make her look bad, trying to portray her as an airhead. Shame on these people, because McCain is such a class act, I'm quite certain he doesn't approve of these people leaking stuff to the media make her look bad.
....But then again that's part of the problem. During this whole campaign McCain has been let down by some of the people he had working for him.
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A Po Mo- I agree with you - I never felt comfortable with S. Palin as a V. P. candidate. Every time she spoke to a group I watched, I felt like she was reading me a bedtime story. After watching the Couric interview, I wondered why she did not have the questions before hand , because she was obviously unprepared. I think she will go on to run for the Senate- and I think she will be a good Senator. I did like that she was a fresh face and not the same ole Washington crowd. The Republican party is going to have to redefine itself into a party that is not an Old White Guy Party. JMO
I told people during the campaign that when I saw Sarah Palin, I saw GWB's sister. They'd sort of laugh and then ask why. My reply was that I saw the same type of stubborn, doggedness I saw in GWB.
It doesn't surprise me at all to see the truth being revealed about the way she was to her own aides. How was it she put it? "You have to be wired that way" or something like that was the way she described it to Charlie Gipson.
The funniest quote from Newsweek was this gem, "An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books."
I have one guess who the "angry aide" was. Nicole Wallace anyone???
Also, I bet Sarah Palin's biggest fan through all of this was Dan Quayle. He's now been replaced in American political history.
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A_PoMo, you are assuming that these "inside sources" are reporting accurately. Also, it is highly possible that Palin refused assistance because there was friction between the McCain/Palin camps, and maybe she didn't feel they had her best interests at heart. Who knows? I'm not one to take things just on the word of an anonymous source. Let them show their faces, let Palin respond, and then we'll have something to talk about. Quite frankly, though, I've never been one to be put off by temper or rudeness. Some people are just that way. McCain's alleged temper is a perfect example, to which I say, "Who cares?" It isn't a sin to be annoying or have a short temper. (Peter comes to mind. ) It isn't even a character issue, IMO, unless things go too far.
IF that is true, it shows that she might have a stubborn streak, but I would like to hear from Palin as to what her reasons were, and then express my opinion. I don't like one sided information. However, I don't agree that any of the things that have been discussed on this thread, even if TRUE, show that she's incompetent or unqualified for the VP position. Look at Joe Biden--he has oodles of "experience", but he makes bigger gaffes in interviews than all the other candidates put together! In one interview, he didn't even answer the questions, just deflected with something lame like, "Are those real questions? Are you kidding?" [not a direct quote]
I wasn't referring to you when I mentioned sour grapes. If the McCain camp is releasing this info after the fact, it does seem like sour grapes. Even if it's TRUE, they shouldn't be releasing it. Quite frankly, SP sounds normal, and there have been quite a few "normal" people who have turned out to be great leaders.
At the risk of appearing as if I just want to have the last word, let me say this; perhaps she didn't trust people. Her own people? Really? Ok, for the sake of argument, she didn't want their advice. But why then wouldn't she look at the questions at all, even personally? She refused to look at the questions. Why? Is that over confidence? Seems like so to me and that smacks of 'diva' to me. They say she didn't know 'basic' stuff about civics, policy, governence, etc... If true, that for sure tells me she is incompetent. The sources have been named, she absolutely denies all of it. I believe the sources. Joe Biden? He's iffy at best, and like I said I didn't vote for him either.
This is a area of personal opinion. We interpret the evidence according to our own personal matrix and bias. I never felt good about Palin (and not because she's a woman!) and this information seemed to lend credence to my gut feeling. And I have a big gut, so that's alot of feeling! Others seem to have liked her, for whatever reason, and they tend to defend her in this situation. And that's ok too.
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OH PLEASE!!! GET REAL!!! That's just retarded! Why do you guys automatically resort to ad hominem attacks when somebody disagrees with your position and your 'evidence'? It's so incredibly frustrating. Perhaps the bigger point that can be extracted from this board.
I am a conservative Christian like you. I agree with more than I disagree with in regards to DB's pov. AND I SAID SO! I just disagree with him and some of you who support McCain and Palin. Stop being so black and white about it and trying to create an 'us vs. them' situation. We're brothers and sisters who disagree.
I didn't engage DB with his "facts" because he they were red herrings, not because I'm pro-choice or pro-gay or any of those other things. Geez.
You guys...nice sweeping Generalization
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Hey, this reminds me of the OJ Simpson trial...Marcia Clark got a makeover and started wearing expensive clothing. Chris Darden didn't have a clue what he was doing by allowing Simpson to try the glove on. They blamed each other.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
) It isn't even a character issue, IMO, unless things go too far.
And unlike partisans around here I didn't have a horse in this race. I didn't vote for either one of these turkeys. So this isn't sour grapes from me that's for sure.
Re: Backstabbing in McCain camp...
Others seem to have liked her, for whatever reason, and they tend to defend her in this situation. And that's ok too.
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