Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
I believe our sins are forgiven whenever God decides to forgive them. I think that actually has to do with the condition of the person's heart. Are they repentant or putting on a show. Are they ready to actually make a start with God or trying to get into someones good graces.
There are many who go 'repent' and do not mean it. There are many who go down in the watery grave a dry sinner and come up a wet one.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
UPC Articles of Faith
REPENTANCE AND CONVERSION
Pardon and forgiveness of sins is obtained by genuine repentance, a confessing and forsaking of sins. We are justified by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1). John the Baptist preached repentance, Jesus proclaimed it, and the Apostles emphasized it to both Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 2:38, 11:18, 17:30).
The word "repentance" comes from several Greek words which mean, change of views and purpose, change of heart, change of mind, change of life, to transform, etc.
Jesus said, -except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).
Luke 24:47 says, "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
WATER BAPTISM
The scriptural mode of baptism is immersion, and is only for those who have fully repented, having turned from their sins and a love of the world. It should be administered by a duly authorized minister of the Gospel, in obedience to the Word of God, and in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, according to the Acts of the Apostles 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5; thus obeying and fulfilling Matthew 28:19.
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
UPC Articles of Faith
REPENTANCE AND CONVERSION
Pardon and forgiveness of sins is obtained by genuine repentance, a confessing and forsaking of sins. We are justified by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1). John the Baptist preached repentance, Jesus proclaimed it, and the Apostles emphasized it to both Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 2:38, 11:18, 17:30).
The word "repentance" comes from several Greek words which mean, change of views and purpose, change of heart, change of mind, change of life, to transform, etc.
Jesus said, -except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).
Luke 24:47 says, "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
WATER BAPTISM
The scriptural mode of baptism is immersion, and is only for those who have fully repented, having turned from their sins and a love of the world. It should be administered by a duly authorized minister of the Gospel, in obedience to the Word of God, and in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, according to the Acts of the Apostles 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5; thus obeying and fulfilling Matthew 28:19.
Prax,
Good to see you...I said the same thing but you say it much better. We need your scriptural expertise and solid practical stance on things.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
In the waters of baptism by the Spirit of God to our hearts.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works (sins) to serve the living God?
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
These verses have nothing to do w/ water baptism, Mizpeh, in context.
Very irresponsible bible interpretation from someone who knows the Word and how to study it.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
Daniel,
If, as you stated, both words are the same Greek word (for remission and forgiveness), then doesn't that demonstrate the importance of baptism for the work to be accomplished?
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
Both verses teach that our hearts/consciences are cleansed by the blood of Christ... IOW the blood is applied to our hearts and cleanses/purges our sins. It's not figurative but a real Spiritual experience. And this event happens when we are baptized in Jesus name. That was my point by quoting those verses.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works (sins) to serve the living God?
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
I'm at work again, but only for 8 hours. I'll support my premises with scripture later.
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Daniel,
If, as you stated, both words are the same Greek word (for remission and forgiveness), then doesn't that demonstrate the importance of baptism for the work to be accomplished?
Herein lies the debate Ms. B.
The term aphesis directly linked to repentance in scripture many times ...
the only verse that some believe ties both repentance and baptism in CAUSING aphesis is Acts 2:38 ....
yet theologians on both sides debate the word "eis" ... or "for" to the cows come home .... some say it is a causal for ... others say its a resultant for ....
I will post my thoughts on the forgiveness is different from remission myth .... in a different thread as to give Mizpeh an opportunity to gather her thoughts and share her doctrinal support for her view on this thread ... and not get it tangled with a topic that is just as poignant.
We need your scriptural expertise and solid practical stance on things.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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