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Old 07-27-2008, 07:13 PM
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My pastor allowed a black woman to preach. This was in the 60's. And I was healed of epilepsy during that revival, Praise the Lord!!!!
Praise the Lord! Was that Sister Willie Johnson?
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Old 07-27-2008, 07:18 PM
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I am not Daniel, but I would say that Bishop Haywood was a man when, he saw what was in the Bible about the correct mode of baptism, he obeyed it, and then brought his congregation into the same obedience. The fact remains that baptism is not salvational, because in order to do so would imply a man-made element outside the Cross to administer what the Cross gives biblically by faith.
Baptism is NOT a man made element!
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Old 07-27-2008, 07:22 PM
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Baptism is NOT a man made element!
You'd think that baptism is something instituted by God.
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Old 07-27-2008, 07:51 PM
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Praise the Lord! Was that Sister Willie Johnson?
Yes it was. I can still picture her in my mind in her cape.
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Old 07-28-2008, 05:05 AM
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Yes it was. I can still picture her in my mind in her cape.
Wasn't she COOL! Cape AND Tambourine! "The Whites don't WANT me and the blacks wont have me!!!" -Willie Johnson

Oh and did you EVER hear her sing "Jesus is the light...Light of the world, he's ever shining in my heart!" ?


You do realize that you had a most unusual pastor in those days if he would have opened up the church for her, though she really did have quite a following! Bishop Stallworth who recently passed away told me he almost joined the UPC years ago until he found out that he would be listed in the directory but in the "Colored Ministers" section.

That was kind of the end of that!
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Old 07-28-2008, 05:54 AM
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Baptism is NOT a man made element!
But, when we make baptism a salvation issue, it becomes a works element, thus something man has to do in order to earn salvation. That is not grace.
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:17 AM
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I thought facial hair was one of the "old paths?"

Actually, having facial hair is an "old path" or "old landmark."
The clean shaven look is a "modern slide down the slippery slope."
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Wasn't she COOL! Cape AND Tambourine! "The Whites don't WANT me and the blacks wont have me!!!" -Willie Johnson

Oh and did you EVER hear her sing "Jesus is the light...Light of the world, he's ever shining in my heart!" ?


You do realize that you had a most unusual pastor in those days if he would have opened up the church for her, though she really did have quite a following! Bishop Stallworth who recently passed away told me he almost joined the UPC years ago until he found out that he would be listed in the directory but in the "Colored Ministers" section.

That was kind of the end of that!
I remember Sis. Willie Johnson preaching a revival at the Church in St. Paul MN. It was the church the ABI students had to go to.

I also remember when the UPC manual had a separate section at the end for "Colored" ministers.
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:24 AM
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Simple question for you if you don't mind:

If Jesus came to your church, with his beard, would you let him preach for you? Or would he be banned from ministry, since his beard goes against the "better, cleaner, more wholesome image" you're referring to?
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(Any other pastors with a "no facial hair" policy are free to answer the question also.)


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Why do you think Jesus had a beard? Are you some kind of a rebel, long-haired, drug crazed hippy?
Jesus wouldn't have had a beard. He would have been clean shaven, no hair touching his ears or collar, He would have worn a white shirt buttoned at the wrist, a black two or three piece suit, black socks and black shoes, and certainly no jewelry including a watch or metal belt buckle.

And, by the way, the prophecy about them pulling the hairs on his face refers to how those Roman soldiers pulled tweezers out of their pockets and pulled the several hour growth of beard stubble from Jesus' face. The only reason He had that stubble was because He had been under arrest since right after the last supper and had not had a chance to shave since then.
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But, when we make baptism a salvation issue, it becomes a works element, thus something man has to do in order to earn salvation. That is not grace.
just like when we make repentance a requiremement for salvation, we make repentance a works element.

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