Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

[AbundantGrace]

Originally Posted by Rico

Brother Epley, you can scream it as loud and as long as your heart desires. It still won't make what you are saying true. I know for a fact I had the Holy Ghost during my time as a cigarette smoker. Neither you nor anyone else is going to be able to take that away from me either. So go ahead with your wolflike huffing and puffing in your efforts to tear down my house, but you're only blowing hot air.

Can you have the Holy Ghost and Blow Hot Air?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Is there ONE passage that speaks of FAT being wrong? Gluttony yes however Fat?

Fat is the result of over indulgence and vile and wreckless behaviors and eating. More people die of heart disease relating to obesity than lung cancer every year. I'd say being FAT is a more widespread abomination destroying health within the church and society at large than smoking. More of our diseases stem from being fat than smoking or drinking a glass of wine with dinner.

Yes, being FAT is also a sin against the body.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

Amen - And Brother Epley, based upon the size of your cheeks, you may be on shaky ground!

That is soooooooooooooooooo funny I am hardly fat. MAYBE 15 lbs over what the idea is. Wearing the same size suit I have worn for 25 years. Some adjustment in the pants not much. BUT if I was fat would that mean I was a glutton? How so?

[AbundantGrace]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Is there ONE passage that speaks of FAT being wrong? Gluttony yes however Fat?

Is there one scripture that speaks of SMOKING being wrong? It is harmful to your body, but so is being obese and I do know that in some circumstances, people can have thyroid problems or something that causes them to be overweight, but by far, the majority of obesity is from over eating and eating the wrong foods. There is ABSOLUTELY no difference. Food can be an addiction as well.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That is soooooooooooooooooo funny I am hardly fat. MAYBE 15 lbs over what the idea is. Wearing the same size suit I have worn for 25 years. Some adjustment in the pants not much. BUT if I was fat would that mean I was a glutton? How so?

It's not about weight Eply...it's about body fat percentage. I know folks who are rather "thin" but they're still blubbery wrecks begging for a heart attack.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Fat is the result of over indulgence and vile and wreckless behaviors and eating. More people die of heart disease relating to obesity than lung cancer every year. I'd say being FAT is a more widespread abomination destroying health within the church and society at large than smoking. More of our diseases stem from being fat than smoking or drinking a glass of wine with dinner.

Yes, being FAT is a sin against the body.

Yo, Aqua Man, some people are naturally fat, Bro. Even when I was a baby I was a fat baby. In fact, I have never been what anyone would consider thin. No doubt my eating habits have played a role in the size I've reached, but I will never be thin, regardless of what changes I make to my eating habits.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

Is there one scripture that speaks of SMOKING being wrong? It is harmful to your body, but so is being obese and I do know that in some circumstances, people can have thyroid problems or something that causes them to be overweight, but by far, the majority of obesity is from over eating and eating the wrong foods. There is ABSOLUTELY no difference. Food can be an addiction as well.

Add sedentary lifestyles. Most could work it off if they cared enough about their temple.

[AbundantGrace]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That is soooooooooooooooooo funny I am hardly fat. MAYBE 15 lbs over what the idea is. Wearing the same size suit I have worn for 25 years. Some adjustment in the pants not much. BUT if I was fat would that mean I was a glutton? How so?

Easy now, you're gonna raise your blood pressure. That's dangerous when you have a weight problem. I'm not saying that you do, I'm simply saying that based upon your chubby cheeks, it looks like you may be on shaky ground. Perhaps you have a thyroid problem or something, because I know that you haven't eaten a burger or fries or fried foods or chocolate or anything else that could cause heart disease or heart problems or DEFILE your temple. This is not an indictment or an accusation, I'm just concerned about you and want to make sure your soul is alright... That's all... Just trying to be a blessing.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rico

Yo, Aqua Man, some people are naturally fat, Bro. Even when I was a baby I was a fat baby. In fact, I have never been what anyone would consider thin. No doubt my eating habits have played a role in the size I've reached, but I will never be thin, regardless of what changes I make to my eating habits.

I agree...sometimes it's genetics. But that doesn't mean that God desired you to be fat. Genetic conditions that are unhealthy and contribute to early death or sickness are a result of the fall...i.e....the result of "sin". If we weren't fallen sinful creatures we'd live forever in perfect health.

So I agree, some are naturally fat. But while it may not be the result of a sin you personally committed...it is a result of the fallen sinful condition of your genes due to being a son of Adam. It's not your fault...but it's sin's work.

All conditions leading to imperfection, sickness, disease, and death are the result of sin and man's fallen nature.

[AbundantGrace]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It's not about weight Eply...it's about body fat percentage. I know folks who are rather "thin" but they're still blubbery wrecks begging for a heart attack.

He may need to get his BMI (Body, Mass, Index) checked. That will tell if he's too overweight. Sometimes 15lbs can do it. I'm getting concerned...