Witchcraft = medication

Originally Posted by Ferd

Rico, driving cars has its roots in majic too. we used to ride horses. if you dig far enough into ancient history you will find that people believed riding a horse was majic.

people also thought television was majic.

Once upon a time, man flying was something talked about in ancient greek mythology.


go far enough back and pretty much everything we do comes from some supersticious belief in majic. even washing your hands.

Could you please stay on topic?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Rico

It doesn't promote the use of medicines either, Sister.

Nor does it forbid it. But it does forbid witchcraft--and as I posted, the Hebrew words for witchcraft/witch have nothing at all to do with "pharmaceuticals."

[Rico]

Well, I guess we're gonna have to wait for OM to go through all 17 pages of posts.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The Hebrew word for "witch" and "witchcraft" do not share the same connotation as the greek word. That might be significant. Secondly, in the context of scripture which does not forbid the practice of medicine, the use of herbs, or men and women from being nurses, midwives or doctors, it would seem more in keeping with scripture to take the alternative meaning of "pharmakeia" which is:

1. the use or the administering of drugs
2. poisoning
3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

Why only pick the definition which supports your belief? You cannot base a doctrine on a single and incomplete definition of a single word, used only ONE time in the New Testament. Especially since the conclusion you are deriving seems out of line with the rest of scripture.

Witches in the OT referred to necromancy (talking to dead folks, like todays so called psychics)

Originally Posted by clgustaveson

Can you go into a little more detail... and I would be very careful in explaining this because this is a subject I wont hesitate breaking loose in.

Do you disagree that the medications today aren't mind altering? I do know people who have to take medication for different things that it does alter the mind.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Nor does it forbid it. But it does forbid witchcraft--and as I posted, the Hebrew words for witchcraft/witch have nothing at all to do with "pharmaceuticals."

Sister, there's at least one or we wouldn't be here discussing it, would we?

[Praxeas]

Medicine
Jer 8:22 Is there no balm in Gilead? Is there no physician there? Why then has the health of the daughter of my people not been restored?

ISBE
The love-fruits, “mandrakes” (Gen_30:14) and “caperberry” (Ecc_12:5 margin), myrrh, anise, rue, cummin, the “oil and wine” of the Good Samaritan, soap and sodic carbonate (“natron,” called by mistake “nitre”) as cleansers, and Hezekiah's “fig poultice” nearly exhaust the catalogue.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Witches in the OT referred to necromancy (talking to dead folks, like todays so called psychics)

witchcraft -
qesem
keh'-sem
From H7080; a lot; also divination (including its fee), oracle: - (reward of) divination, divine sentence, witchcraft.


witch -
kâshaph
kaw-shaf'
A primitive root; properly to whisper a spell, that is, to inchant or practise magic: - sorcerer, (use) witch (-craft).

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deuteronomy 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deuteronomy 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Not one of these words refers to medicine, or to the use of plants as a curative.

By the way, Rico, the Bible does say that laughter does good, "like a medicine [cure]". Does that verse call medicine good, along with laughter?

Originally Posted by Rico

None of which changes the point I made. We are still making potions, but it's done in a laboratory now instead of by a medicine man. You guys are going to have a hard time disconnecting the two and disconnecting that scripture from using pharmaceutical types of cures for what ails us. I do not know why that word was translated into witchcraft or why it was included in that scripture, but that doesn't change what it means one bit, Bro. We still have "witch doctors" and "medicine men" today. The only difference is they work for Pfizer, Merck, Bayer, and other companies.

Amen Brother!!! Preach it!!! That is why they are making medication for every little ailment that people have today. This is a pill world and that is one of the reasons that the song, "In The Year 2525" it talks about just taking a pill for everything.

Originally Posted by Ferd

I tell you what. dont take any medicine.

your point is what it is and if you want to roll like that fine by me.

but like I said, without Amnioterone (sp) my sons heart would have beat out of his chest and he would be dead today.

with that medication, he lived long enough for God to heal him. God is good. Thank God for the doctors who diagnosed him and treated him and thank God for healing him.

this connecting things to ancient things is silly. it puts a demon behind every shadow. I wont live that way.

I don't take medication and thank God for that. Did you try prayer before drugs on your son?