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Old 03-18-2007, 12:56 PM
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Barb, this business has gotten distorted by a few who don't agree with the "uncut hair" doctrine and, subsequently, turned this into a witch hunt.

Once again, here is what the original post said:


"Lord, I made a covenant with you not to cut my hair. My hair is a veil of protection for me and my family. My hair is my glory and power with the angels. And as I lay my hair before you, uncut in obedience to your Word, I am asking you to heal and protect my husband from this disease that has been diagnosed."

Isn't it funny how some read this as someone using a bargaining chip with God, while others read it as calling upon the promises of God? We've certainly all reminded God, in times of need, of how faithful we've been to Him, haven't we? Just because someone doesn't agree that uncut hair on a woman means anything does not give them liberty to conjure up all sorts of silly references to witch craft, etc.
Why did you highlight that part only? How about this one?

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My hair is a veil of protection for me and my family. My hair is my glory and power with the angels.
She says this BEFORE she tells God she's been obedient by not cutting her hair and as she lays her hair on him. Her hair is power with the angels??? Hair is power??? Veil of protection?? Hair is protection???

Did you know that witches believe there is power in their hair also? Think they got that from the Bible too?

Believe your hair has power in any way is nothing short of witchcraft. The healing power we all receive comes from the stripes Jesus received for us. That's all. If that woman was bald and prayed for healing, I believe her husband would have received it all the same. It had NOTHING to do with her hair, as she implies in that post.

Sorry sir, but I'm not swallowing what I'm being fed.
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Old 03-18-2007, 12:59 PM
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The woman states that she made a covenant with God not to cut her hair. There is certainly nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't mean that in making a covenant with God, one has more bargaining power with God.

If I were to make a covenant with God to only wear clothing made of primary colors, it would be really silly for me to remind God of the covenant I made with him and spread my clothing over someone while stating that my clothing is my glory, power, and hedge of protection over my family. That is witchcraft, plain and simple.
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:07 PM
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This sister, in her faith, believed that as she had been obedient to the scriptures about cutting of her hair, that the Lord would protect her husband from this spirit of illness.

Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell forevermore. For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved forever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. (Psalms 37:27-28)
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:08 PM
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Barb, this business has gotten distorted by a few who don't agree with the "uncut hair" doctrine and, subsequently, turned this into a witch hunt.

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I think you will find that there are plenty of old time Oneness Pentecostals who strongly believe in the uncut hair doctrine that don't believe in the LS and RR power in the hair and extra angels doctrines.

It is error and does not enhance the uncut hair doctrine but rather takes away from it.

I can think of only two reasons so many old time Pentecostals have embraced it. First it reinforces the uncut hair doctrine and gives benefits to it as an extra incentive for women to submit. Second intellectual and theological laziness. Apparently few OP's care about the theological soundness of a speaker and doctrines promoted heavily within their ranks.
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:40 PM
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This sister, in her faith, believed that as she had been obedient to the scriptures about cutting of her hair, that the Lord would protect her husband from this spirit of illness.

Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell forevermore. For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved forever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. (Psalms 37:27-28)
That reasoning isn't Biblical, even if it were true. Faith is required, not obedience.
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:45 PM
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Lord, I made a covenant with you not to cut my hair. My hair is a veil of protection for me and my family. My hair is my glory and power with the angels. And as I lay my hair before you, uncut in obedience to your Word, I am asking you to heal and protect my husband from this disease that has been diagnosed."
I find this to be both offensive and unbiblical.

The purpose of that topic of hair was headship. Man came first and is made in His image....why on earth would God give to the woman ONLY this special "protection"?

Second, are singles guys up the creek without a paddle because they don't have a wife with long uncut hair?

Does God curse or remove any protection he has from a family just because one of the women in that family trims her hair?

Im sorry but this teaching is absurd. The bible never teaches to lay hair on them...it says lay hands on them. It never teaches there is supernatural power in her hair nor does it teach it gives her and her family protective covering NOR does it teach she has power WITH the angels.

That is false doctrine and I think a dangerous out. What covers and protects us is His blood....Jesus is my covering. We lay hands on in Jesus name. Not "lay hair on" in the name of some unbiblical covenant of non-cut hair.

What happened or why was not the result of her strands of hair, a covenant or her power with angels. There were many people praying for his person no doubt and seemingly this woman has faith too. She wrongly attributes it to her "glory".

It reminds me of the movie "Wholly Moses" where Dudley Moore is in the right place and the right time but is the wrong person...God is talking to Moses and Moore over hears the conversation and thinks God is speaking to him.

I wonder who many prophets were tossing sticks into the river later on to see if they can get another axehead to float. Correlation is not causation
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:48 PM
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Exactly...one of my sisters in law told me that she knows she has power in the prayer room because she has not cut her hair. In other words, someone with cut hair can't pray?! She came too late to tell me that one.

I said, "I don't cut mine either, but show me this in Scripture." She couldn't...
That would mean men can't get their prays answered ever.....
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:50 PM
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So, does EVERY woman who does not cut her hair HAVE TO have a perfectly healthy family everyday of their lives?

How do you know that this specific instance wasn't used by God as a testimony of that covenant she had with Him? You don't, do you?

I think the conclusion you made is silly. Sorry, but I can't think of any other word to use.
The bible does not say she has a special covenant with God that is her uncut hair. That is unbiblical nonsense that sounds more like something from the TBN crowd
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:16 PM
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The underlined portion doesn't explicitely say that the uncut hair is what healed her husband. But it sure looks like she's alluding to that in my opinion. You can read it the way you want to. But when I read it, that was the message that I was hearing her say.

So is this also alluding the idea that if a wife cuts her hair, God will not heal her husband?? Because, reading between the lines, that's what I'm seeing. And to that I'd have to say - bunk! I am living the proof of that. God doesn't heal or not heal based on whether or not a woman cuts her hair.
MArgie,

You should go to work for US intelligence. You read well what is not written and I am sure your bias does not affect your interpretation of what you read between the lines at all.

It is clear to any 3rd grader that she identified clearly the reason for the spreading of her hair... evidence of her obedience. She then clearly identifies to whom she is praying and from whom she is expecting the miracle.

You and Felicity and Sherri and Renda and all the others have done exactly as Ogia has suggested... you have intentionally misrepresented what is written in order to substantiate and support your uncontrollable desire to justify your position by ridiculing and misrepresenting the position of another.

I love ya'll but you are all way of base in your assessment of this story!
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:19 PM
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MArgie,

You should go to work for US intelligence. You read well what is not written and I am sure your bias does not affect your interpretation of what you read between the lines at all.

It is clear to any 3rd grader that she identified clearly the reason for the spreading of her hair... evidence of her obedience. She then clearly identifies to whom she is praying and from whom she is expecting the miracle.

You and Felicity and Sherri and Renda and all the others have done exactly as Ogia has suggested... you have intentionally misrepresented what is written in order to substantiate and support your uncontrollable desire to justify your position by ridiculing and misrepresenting the position of another.

I love ya'll but you are all way of base in your assessment of this story!
Phil, she said that her hair was protection for her family, and that it was glory and power with the angels. Where in scripture is that? It's totally absurd. It takes away from the power of Jesus.
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