Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to keep?

[Blaylock]

Originally Posted by Dan'D

Good point. But when the inside is right with God we will want the outside to look right also.

Dan'D

Let me start by saying that I am a Pastor that believes in holiness and teaches on holiness. But the statement that some Apostolic's make like this is ridiculous. When someone has found the biblical salvation plan and followed it to the letter they don’t automatically start to follow to the letter not cutting their hair not wearing pants ...etc. They must be taught! Some of the things we teach are biblical and some are man given to keep us from hurting ourselves. Being right on the inside is about loving Spiritual Authority. Some teach things others don’t. We shouldn’t run others down for teaching differently. They are following their authority. I like the statement made about the Apostolic church is like peanut brittle. We are all nutty at times

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by WyoPastor

Come on get real - don't wear short sleeves. I must be headed to Hell then. I wear short sleeves to work every day. I work around machinery that long sleeves would be dangerous, so that may be another one of those pesky loopholes.

But actually in the summer time I wear short sleeves most of the time. I have a friend who has a personal conviction about short sleeve because of tatoos before he came in the church and that I understand.

I would love to see scripture for a ban on short sleeves.

You can literally come up with a scriptural ban for anything.
It requires a bit (or a lot) of hoop jumping and more then a couple of translations back and forth, but it can be great fun!

[scotty]

Bro. Randy is right, someone gave scripture for Santa Claus on one of these threads.

Standards are there. They are in the bible. They are request that have been made of us by God. I don't believe that our job is to cram them down peoples throats. I shudder at the word "teach" them the standards. Yes, teach them the scripture about all the standards and tell them to pray about it.
Once you recieve the Holy Ghost and truly desire to live for God , He will convict you in the manner He wants you to live.

Are the standards sin? No. Would your disobedience to conviction of a standard be sin? Weeeeelllllllllllllll.???

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by scotty

Bro. Randy is right, someone gave scripture for Santa Claus on one of these threads.

Standards are there. They are in the bible. They are request that have been made of us by God. I don't believe that our job is to cram them down peoples throats. I shudder at the word "teach" them the standards. Yes, teach them the scripture about all the standards and tell them to pray about it.
Once you recieve the Holy Ghost and truly desire to live for God , He will convict you in the manner He wants you to live.

Are the standards sin? No. Would your disobedience to conviction of a standard be sin? Weeeeelllllllllllllll.???

I agree Scotty.

least we forget, the following is the opening salvo from Paul in the most hated chapter of the bible:


1 Corinthians 11
1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
Paul was NOT mincing words here. this was not a "well, if you think its best" kind of comment.

there are some things in the bible that Chiristians simply MUST do. They arent up for debate "is this salvational" that isnt even the question.

Paul used the word "Ordinance" or rule, or law. it doesnt matter. we can use the term standard but honestly our word is a bit weak. Paul was much more clear.

[tv1a]

The passage you highlighted states Paul delivered the ordinances. That scripture doesn't give legalists the right to make subjective rules heaven or hell issues. Paul established principles. Legalism establishes rules.

From what I've read, no one questions standards. The issue is the reprocussion of inconsistent subjective standards.

Originally Posted by Ferd

I agree Scotty.

least we forget, the following is the opening salvo from Paul in the most hated chapter of the bible:


1 Corinthians 11
1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
Paul was NOT mincing words here. this was not a "well, if you think its best" kind of comment.

there are some things in the bible that Chiristians simply MUST do. They arent up for debate "is this salvational" that isnt even the question.

Paul used the word "Ordinance" or rule, or law. it doesnt matter. we can use the term standard but honestly our word is a bit weak. Paul was much more clear.

[simplyme]

Ordiances are 'the law' where I live anyway if I break one, I have to pay a price., they don't just say "well if you think its a good idea, do it-if you don't like it you don't have to comply"., they are guidelines that every citizen here must follow..or else! Whatever Paul delivered I see that if I decide to ignore, I must pay a price WHAT that is I can't rightly say., some might consider those ordinaces to definitely be 'heaven or hell' but I can't say that I would go THAT far., only that there has to be repercussions, and surely whatever they are or would be, can't be pleasant.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I agree Scotty.

least we forget, the following is the opening salvo from Paul in the most hated chapter of the bible:


1 Corinthians 11
1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
Paul was NOT mincing words here. this was not a "well, if you think its best" kind of comment.

there are some things in the bible that Chiristians simply MUST do. They arent up for debate "is this salvational" that isnt even the question.

Paul used the word "Ordinance" or rule, or law. it doesnt matter. we can use the term standard but honestly our word is a bit weak. Paul was much more clear.

Good post, Ferd. I believe the ordinances were cultural and they can change.

I believe it was okay for preachers to be worried about their woman wearing "red" when it was so associated with a prostitute. At one time it was! BUT, when that changed, they shouldn't have carried that further.

If we are looking for everything to be spelled out in the Word of God - it isn't going to happen. We use wisdom.

One example would be jewelry. Does it look decent or ladylike for a women, in America, to have a ring in her upper lip? lol Things just need to make sense. Does that make all jewelry a sin? No, it doesn't.

Oh my lord, I just posted on a standards thread. What am I thinking?!!!!! Arghhhhh! lol

[OneAccord]

I don't have a problem with rules. Or laws. Ordinances or standards. I believe in them. Life would be chaos without them. But, in US law, every law has to have a basis. Ordinances, in order to be enforceable, must have a foundation. That foundation and/or rule must be established on the basis of, ultimately the US Constitution. A city ordinace can be passed based on the city charter, but, if challenged, that ordinance must pass the Constitution test. Churches, organizations can and do, pass resolutions and "standards" everyday. Those resolutions and standards are based on their articles of faith or manual. And that is fine for those within that church or organization. But, can that resolution or standards pass the "Constitution test?" If challenged, can that ordinance pass the Bible tests? Is it enforceable on Bible grounds? Is it in the Bible?

I don't live by what we have come to commonly define as "standards". I live by, or at least try to, Christian principles that are, in my veiw, entirely based on the Bible and are, therefore enforceable. I have to live by those principles if I am to abide within the Law. Those principles are not the Law. They are the things I do, or do not do, to abide by the Law or Word.

Again, I don't have a problem with whatever this shifting thing is we call "Standards" But, if I am "compelled" to live by them I must know that the Standard can and does pass the Bible tests. "Standards", like the prohibition against beards or women wearing wigs, unless there are circumstances (i.e, loopholes) aren't always enforcable, because they do not (as evidenced by Dan'D's failure to provide Scripture) pass the Bible test. They are unenforceable as far as the Bible is concerned. The same can be said for many "standards". Pulling a verse out of context, stringing obscure, ambigious Scriptures together like Christmas lights, does not necessarily validate the standard as Bible based either. Standards or, more correctly, "godly principles", are not hard to see in the Scripture. You don't have to pull out the Greek and Hebrew lexicons to find them. They are there, hidden in plain sight.. And we've got plenty of them... we don't need to create more, we do good to handle what we've got.

[Sister Alvear]

Bible Standards are our protection.

[Sister Alvear]

Godly living will be noticed by all....