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Old 03-12-2007, 02:07 PM
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We created the "Why I Do Not Have a Television" tract.
Does that count?
That was a masterpiece of evangelism. People were falling all over themselves to get to church when they read that gem!
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:09 PM
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I have heard stats from this book that "the AOG is shrinking and we are growing." Your stats state the AOG grew by 15%. So, is it another Apostolic Legend that the AOG is shrinking?
Isn't that the book that counts some ancestor worshippers in China or Japan as oneness? (It's been a while so don't crucify me if I'm wrong.)
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:11 PM
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We created the "Why I Do Not Have a Television" tract.
Does that count?
I hear that you can no longer order that tract
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:29 PM
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Thank you good Gentlemen for allowing me ten minutes that I will not need.

I would like to just say, can you get the organization on the same page?

Is this possible?

Can you imagine an Evangelist going from church to church with no consistent standards?

Can't the board get the organization on the same page?

Let everything else be their personal convictions but just draw a line on what the organization will stand for or against.

Thanks for you consideration in this very confusion issue.
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:00 PM
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I am moving on from this thread.

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Bro, I think you missed completely what i meant. If I had the floor before the GB, I would tell them to get this thing divided up right now and lets stop talking about it....

I wasnt making a slight at anyone, If my above post caused you to "leave the thread" please reconsider.

while I disagree with your assessment of the UPCI from 1978 to now, that doesnt mean my above statement was connected to my disagreement with you.
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:09 PM
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Thank you good Gentlemen for allowing me ten minutes that I will not need.

I would like to just say, can you get the organization on the same page?

Is this possible?

Can you imagine an Evangelist going from church to church with no consistent standards?

Can't the board get the organization on the same page?

Let everything else be their personal convictions but just draw a line on what the organization will stand for or against.

Thanks for you consideration in this very confusion issue.
Esther......

This will never happen. Nor should it. There should be room for difference and variation in regard to standards.

You'd be better off to use your 15 minutes on a different question or concern.
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:11 PM
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In regard to the AOG......... at this point only about 50% of their membership is testifying to having had received the baptism of the Spirit with the initial sign of speaking in tongues.

A great concern to those who are in leadership of that organization.
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Old 03-12-2007, 05:15 PM
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I would like to know something.

If you were given 10 minutes to speak to the entire general board of the United Pentecostal Church what would you say? What would you ask. What are the issues you would like to discuss?

This would be what I would say.

Good day brethern, in the lovely name of Jesus, I only have 15 minutes so I will get to the point.

The state of the church, in my opinion cannot continue to operate as it has in the past with the same mindset toward organization and/or ministry. I say this because I understand how the business climate has changed dramatically from how business was conducted in past generations. The church cannot continue to operate in the vertical, top-down, heirarchical structure and still expect to succeed and maintain relevance.

Why has the secular business structure changed? Because our society has changed in terms of priorities, focus, education, and the natural cycle of change. Those same people are in your churches, believe it or not.

I know there are those who cross their arms with a crusty look and the resistive attitude that change=compromise, but those same people are the ones who will deprive their community of a church because that once they die off, the church will founder into non-existence.

As I am sure you also know, from a grassroots perspective there are sparks running across the foundation of the church. People are beginning to understand the effect of 30 years of preaching religious culture as though it were the sovereign word of God. It hasn't worked, it hasn't produced the holiness that people who embrace the standards are supposed to have and have come to expect from others. The law is there, the attendance is there, but only, in my opinion through peer pressure, suggestion, and insinuation.

So in a few words, the UPC has always been about attempting to preserve and protect their biblical doctrines and their social doctrines in an attempt to maintain a religious separation from the mainstream, however people do not grow, they are not spiritually stronger, churches are not stronger when the organization has first and foremost its own existence as a priority. People are starting to figure it out.
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Old 03-12-2007, 05:21 PM
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Bro, I think you missed completely what i meant. If I had the floor before the GB, I would tell them to get this thing divided up right now and lets stop talking about it....

I wasnt making a slight at anyone, If my above post caused you to "leave the thread" please reconsider.

while I disagree with your assessment of the UPCI from 1978 to now, that doesnt mean my above statement was connected to my disagreement with you.
Undserstood. I appreciated the PM. My statements are my own thoughts.

We can agreee to disagree.

And continue to bless each other in with other postings.

Nathan Eckstadt
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Old 03-12-2007, 05:21 PM
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What would Jesus DO?
Mmmmmmm, maybe shake the dust off his feet ?
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