A letter from Bro. Haney

[tv1a]

That's okay. A lot of good men have had a target on their backs on this forum recently.

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Ok, I can understand that. Sorry for jumping the gun!!! Have a blessed day (not TIC, he he)

[PreacherV]

[QUOTE=Neckstadt;348219]The UPCI has left out their membership numbers from the 2208 World Almanac.

You know why?

Uhhh...because 2208 is not here yet?

[Sept5SavedTeen]

First off, what was bolded was not in proper context. What did I write, RIGHT AFTER I said I could respect them? I think the WPF is foolish, BUT I can respect them for breaking with an org that has watered down holiness and has let go of yet another standard. Now, I can speak of my lack of experience with the UPC along the lines of physical location. I do not know how the "supposed" conservative Western UPC district is doing, however, as for the UPC in New England, with the exception of two or three ministers, you can't hardly find anything REMOTELY conservative. And of course that's subjective, and being conservative is a good thing if you are conservative, a bad thing if your not conservative, so on and so forth. But I won't even get to that conservative vs. liberal thing because the topic is Bro. Haney and his letter.
I don't disrespect Bro. Haney, I DO however believe him to occupy an unbiblical role as a "General Superintendent" and I, furthermore, believe his organization is unbiblical. That does not mean he is not my brother, or that I wouldn't recieve him into my home, break bread with him, ect. As for the hype and arrogance, I see it so strong amoung those in the UPC, that I have met. And I will say, in my three and a half years in the UPC I got around, at least in the district and surrounding districts I was in. I have fellowshipped with UPC ministers, and those in district leadership. I also considered getting liscenced with the UPC, however, just prior to GC (I think in May or so) I decided not to and I am glad I decided not to, because I would have had my liscence for a very short time, or I would have had to stop the liscencing process and wasted time.
Also, as for my age, your comments don't bother me. I WAS a teen on Sept 5th, 2004 when I was saved through being baptized in JESUS' name (I had recieved the HG prior). So you can do the math, I am a young adult. I'm not one to spew out hate at the UPC or call them Revelation's harlot or anything, but I am conservative, and I see the UPC headed in a wrong direction, therefore, I left my UPC church, and that is why I do not see holding membership with this particular group to be wise.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

[Neck]

Originally Posted by jrLA

I understand what you are saying...but I do my best (not perfect), to never judge someone who is not dressed accroding to what I feel in right in the sight of God. God is the judge. This is actually a BIG peave of mine, I hate to hear other speak about so and so who was seen wearing such and such. I preach against that more than any standard. Holiness does actually begin in the heart not the outside.

That is not to say that I so not believe a Godly outward appearence, it is just that we should keep out nose on our face and worry about what God is thinking about us first!

I preached Wednesday pm about some of this. When we see God first, we will notice how undone we are and cry as Isaiaha did, "woe is me". If we continually cry Woe is the Church, we are looking at everything BUT God, WHen we see Him, We see ourselves and then we see the harvest! Isaiaha 6

If we'd spend time focussing on God, we'd have no time to focus on one another!

So, please don't paint me in that judgemental group! Far from it!

It's no so much the idea of even us being offended at what people wear etc. It is how we offend others by giving them the sense that some are more holy than they are....

To offend them could be putting a rock around your spiritual head...

[Neck]

[QUOTE=PreacherV;348655]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

The UPCI has left out their membership numbers from the 2208 World Almanac.

You know why?

Uhhh...because 2208 is not here yet?

Retraction I meant to say "2008" World Almanac. 140th edition.

With facts figures and events of 2007.

The UPCi is listed on page 711 and only list it's number of churches.

Nathan Eckstadt

[SavedLou]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I don't disrespect Bro. Haney, I DO however believe him to occupy an unbiblical role as a "General Superintendent" and I, furthermore, believe his organization is unbiblical. That does not mean he is not my brother, or that I wouldn't recieve him into my home, break bread with him.

I see the UPC headed in a wrong direction, therefore, I left my UPC church, and that is why I do not see holding membership with this particular group to be wise.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

i am really not trying to pick apart your every word but i don't get it. you said the wpf is foolish and you say the upc is unbiblical...just what organization are you or do you plan to be a part of? and if you believe KH and the upc to be unbiblical then why would you consider fellowshipping with them? exactly what do you consider unbiblical?

[Neck]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

paul said "be ye followers of me,even as i also am of christ" and to think paul said this right before he talked about the cutting of hair, as to what you call a standard . i call this doctrine. and for you that dont agree with standards read gen. 2:17 and then gen. 3:3 and you will find the first standard.

Doctrine of what .... Acts 2:38 part B?

You gloss over the Grace of God on calvay to place (ABI 2:38) on the alter.

But you stop and pause for your entire walk with God to share a doctrine of Hair that has nothing to do with getting into the Kingdom of God.

Do you preech that this "Hair" is a commandment after (ABI 2:38) experience?

How about the command of Christ in Matthew 19:21 and 22?

Jesus Speaking, "If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast and give to the poor, and thou shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Does this mean that Christ is telling us all we need to sell everything and give it to the poor?

Christ says to be perfect! To have treasure in heaven you need to sell all and follow me.

You talk about Paul following Christ, Christ himself tells one to sell all and follow him.

Who do we follow Paul following Christ, or Follow Christ as Christ himself proclaims?

or could it be somethings are not salvational to the masses of saints in order to be saved.

The connection to the young man was he was rich..

To the Church at Corinth even Paul says we have no such custom.

This admonishment was specifically to Corinth because of their culture of that day...

Today we have no need to have this distinction of our woman cutting their hair to avoid appearing as those who have been found guilty of prostitution.

When you see a lady with cut hair today, do you tell yourself "I know what crime she has committed?"

You have never heard this argument.

because the Lord shared with me.

Outside the Grace of God and even the action of Acts 2:38.

God deals with individuals differently.

I think that many of those who abide by the rule book of the UPCI standards.

Do it as bind drones following rules and not personal convictions of the Lord.

When something is a commandment it is not a standard.

When you sell everything you have and give it to the poor as Christ spoke to the Young man.

Then I will instruct my wife to stop cutting her hair and I will throw out my TV.

I think the following of the Actual Christ is worth more than following one who says follow me as "I" follow Christ.

Yet you would not sell all and give it to the poor....

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

SavedTeen, This man you call arrogant, baptized me, married me, and has done more for me (AND OTHERS) and the Kingdom, you walk in danger when you criticize him...in "this" manner!

What kind of danger does he face? Are you threatening him?

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

A teen calling Pastor Haney arrogant...that is funny, and bro...we just parted ways. Good luck to ya, let me know how you did when your his age.
TV1a, shame on you for supporting this hogwash...

King David was 13 years old when he slew Galiath.

It does not take the years of mistakes it took others.

To find the annointing of God and his wisdom....

I see many of these men around today.

They would have been on the hillside laughing at David as he stopped by the brook.

What they did not know was David knew the landscape.

I could preach more but my fingers are tired.

[Neck]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeyman
SavedTeen, This man you call arrogant, baptized me, married me, and has done more for me (AND OTHERS) and the Kingdom, you walk in danger when you criticize him...in "this" manner!

So Mark Hany baptized me.

What does that mean?