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View Poll Results: Do You Believe in Women Preachers?
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:22 PM
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Ahhh yes, the ol' "Kiss" argument [borrowed form Josh Spiers/Jason Young, no doubt!]. I personally know of some who DO practice this & YES, I wish it were still practiced! Silly me....there I go believing the Bible again....who-da'-thunk-it????
I have no idea who those men are. Here is the point and OP made it in another thread

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Are you for greeting each other with a kiss?
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You're comparing a local cultural custom with a directive given to the church concerning their appearance and the need to clothe themselves in a way that is pleasing to God?
So YOU think Paul was commanding believers to kiss each other...Do you preach it? It does not sound like it the way you said you wish it were still practiced.

At least OP realizes this was a cultural thing, not a biblical command. But that was the point, when looking at what the bible teaches we are supposed to research and understand...have understanding. In the case of a kiss Paul was not creating yet another new law for the church to be burdened with. He was reminding the brothers to be cordial and in that day and age a common greeting was with a kiss. In some places they still do that.

But your answer presents another issue, if you really DO believe this you should be teaching this to everyone as a biblical command. Why allow people to be disobedient if you really believe this is a biblical command?
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:41 PM
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Really stuggling aren't ya' Prax! YOU said you were provicing "examples" of a "prophetess". I'm still waiting for that "example":____________? Purrty please ??

Now, all preachers fit into 1 or more of the 5 categories enumerated of the 5-fold ministry....strangely Paul forget to mention the "prophetess" in his list. What was he ever thinking...he should have surely consulted w/ Praxeas' feminists view-points 1st!!
I just did present evidence of a prophetess. Do you really think you can win an argument by introducing smilies? lol good grief

Let's refresh your memory again. What IS a prophetess?

Luk 2:36 And there was a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived with her husband seven years from when she was a virgin,

The greek word here is the feminine tense of the masculine form for prophet.

The same word is used in the LXX version of the OT
Jdg 4:4 Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time.

2Ki 22:14 So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asaiah went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe (now she lived in Jerusalem in the Second Quarter), and they talked with her.

So what is a prophet?
Act 21:10 While we were staying for many days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea.
Act 21:11 And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, "Thus says the Holy Spirit, 'This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.'"

Prophet
In the NT prophḗtēs corresponds to the person who in the OT spoke under divine influence and inspiration. This included the foretelling future events or the exhorting, reproving, and threatening of individuals or nations as the ambassador of God and the interpreter of His will to men (Ezek. 2). Hence the prophet spoke not his own thoughts but what he received from God, retaining, however, his own consciousness and self-possession (Exo_7:1; 2Pe_1:20-21; especially 1Co_14:32).

And as we have seen a prophetess is a feminine version of the same word

So it's interesting that the verse in question comes just before the one above

(II) To tell forth God's message, hence the noun prophḗtēs (G4396), prophet, is the proclaimer, one who speaks out the counsel of God with the clearness, energy, and authority which spring from the consciousness of speaking in God's name and having received a direct message from Him to deliver. Thus one may prophesy without being a prophet in the strict sense of the word. A prophḗtēs, both in the OT and NT, is not primarily one who foretells things to come, but who (having been taught of God) speaks out His will (Deu_18:18; Is. chap. 1; Jer. chap. 1; Ezek. chap. 2; 1Co_14:3). The art of heathen

Those girls were prophetesses. They prophecied.

Now let's look at the gift!
1Co 14:3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.

Notice next how prophecy is one of the ways to edify the church like teaching?

1Co 14:6 Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?

Then Notice what Paul says to the church?
1Co 14:26 What should you do then, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each one has a song, has a lesson, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all these things be done for the strengthening of the church.

Also notice what Paul says about those exercising the gift of prophecy? He calls them prophets
1Co 14:29 Two or three prophets should speak and the others should evaluate what is said.

And what is prophecy for? Learning
1Co 14:31 For you can all prophesy one after another, so all can learn and be encouraged.

"Preacher" is not an office. Teachers are not Preachers. A teacher can be a preacher but those office or rolls are not the same. Same goes for the other offices. So the words are not synonymous.

The word Preach means to proclaim. Notice Paul uses it distinctly from being an Apostle and a teacher
1Ti 2:7 For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

Sorry but you haven't done your homework.
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:42 PM
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was Jesus not addressing more than just the 11 at his ascension?
Yes that is right. In fact Peter stood up and addressed men and women to decided on who should replace Judas
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:43 PM
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You know rdp - not everyone is as ignorant as your followers. You might intimidate the illiterate mental midgets that hear you but you don't intimidate people on here with good sense. Go somewhere else with your rhetoric - you obviously only want to argue and try to make people think you actually have some Bible knowledge but you are deceived!
Typical "biblical substance" from the "bishop" dug-out!
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:45 PM
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Some of the most ignorant backlands people have an idea what a prophetess is...strange that after so many prophetess in the Bible and in the history of the early church someone would ask what a prophetess is...
Prophets prophesy...so do prophetess....
And for about the 505th time....prophecy is N-O-T sermonizing from the Scriptures. Good-grief.......this is nuts!
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:52 PM
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All this talk of men that are feminine for whatever reason... let's stick to the Story.

Prax asks a question. Why are you okay with a woman prophesying if 1 Cor says she shouldn't even speak? This is where you repeated over-and-over again "the literal Word, can't you read, it's plain and clear!" Of course, and you probably understand, we get a better understanding of that verse but realizing Paul is not contradicting a prior discussion about women prophesying (Chapter 11) to turn around and tell them to be quiet. That shows it's not always so "plain and clear" but we have to do work to consider context... and even then, we are left with so little with some of these Epistles.
Not at all. Prophecy, in the context of I Cor. concerns the gifts of the Spirit...which women can certainly function in. I Cor. 14:34 seems to be the addressing of women evaluating prophecies, which would be a job for the "brethren" [spare me the "brethren incuded women" Sis. Alvear]. No problemo!

Interestingly, however, is the Gk. term "La-leh-o" [as used in I Cor. 14:34] is alternately translated "to preach" at least 6x's elsewhere. Not sure how on this planet someone could read that & still believe in "women preacher's"??
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:53 PM
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Poor women....

Hair to the ground, uncut and scraggly ends, AND they can't braid it. All because of overly-literal biblical interpretation.
Poor sinners...can't get drunk anymore, whore-monger anymore, steal anymore. All because of "overly-literal biblical interpretation" !!
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Thayer's is not the Word of God

RDP, just saying that to distinguish prophecy from preaching with ideas like "speaking with a Text" sounds a little drilled down and forced.
Ughh, "the Word of God" was originally written in....GREEK...not English!
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:56 PM
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Why do you always do that? You have three technical argumentation fallacies and you keep throwing them around so awkwardly.
Funny, there's at least 30 Formal Logical Fallacies....& the only people I know who deride them are those not studied in them. Go back to the books, then come see me.
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Why do you always do that? You have three technical argumentation fallacies and you keep throwing them around so awkwardly.
Besides the fact I did not commit that fallacy.
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