Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

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Originally Posted by paul kimrey

How many time is the Word of God referred to as a sword?
When you draw that sword on someone you are attempting to take authority.

The word isn't used on brothers/sisters. It's used as a testament to what is true. It's a recorded, shared experience and story.

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Originally Posted by rdp

Big Yawwwwn, but let's try it anyway! O', before I begin, I loooooooove the way you entirely ignored I Tim. 2:11-15 !

Now, to deal w/ I Cor. 14 [for about the 502nd time now]: However one may interpret the instructions [& there are several interpretations]: 'Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but are commanded to be under obedience, as saith the Law. For it is a shame for a woman to speak.' [Paraphrasing from memory?]. Regardless how you attempt to explain these NT instructions to the church, does this sound at all like God approves "women preacher's" in the NT church economy??????

You have GOT to be outright dishonest if you answer in the affirmative! And I'm the one w/ the "problem" ?? Hmm, I've apparently got enough brains to read & believe the Bible!

O & lest I forget, let's say that a man got up to preach & was acting very feminine in his demeanor. Very prissified, soft-acting, etc. Are you telling us you wouldn't have a problem w/ it?? Of course, coming from someone who cannot even comprehend "I do not allow a woman to teach...", why should I be surprised either way???? Try again Prax!

All this talk of men that are feminine for whatever reason... let's stick to the Story.

Prax asks a question. Why are you okay with a woman prophesying if 1 Cor says she shouldn't even speak? This is where you repeated over-and-over again "the literal Word, can't you read, it's plain and clear!" Of course, and you probably understand, we get a better understanding of that verse but realizing Paul is not contradicting a prior discussion about women prophesying (Chapter 11) to turn around and tell them to be quiet. That shows it's not always so "plain and clear" but we have to do work to consider context... and even then, we are left with so little with some of these Epistles.

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Originally Posted by rdp

Our women do not braid their hair, nor wear jewelry...why, don't you believe that also Prax? I thought I read it in the Bible? Oh, that's right, the Bible apparently doesn't mean what it says it does????

Poor women....

Hair to the ground, uncut and scraggly ends, AND they can't braid it. All because of overly-literal biblical interpretation.

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Originally Posted by rdp

Not at all...Thayer's defined prophecy as such!

Thayer's is not the Word of God

RDP, just saying that to distinguish prophecy from preaching with ideas like "speaking with a Text" sounds a little drilled down and forced.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ok so you believe women are sinning by braiding their hair? Seriously? Why my surprise? I have been in the UPC for about 25 years. I can't think of how many people I have met that believed this. From the reactions on this board it's clear it is not unheard of but very rare. The reason for the surprise is that in those 25 years the UPC never had as a position that women can't braid their hair. Rather they understood that verse in it's historical context. That is, someone in the UPC actually researched this..practiced some hermeneutics.

In it's historical context, what the Apostles were referring to was the Roman practice women had of elaborate braidings intertwining their hair with jewelry. Not merely braiding their hair. The issue was not that braiding was a sin in God's eyes, but this practice of the Roman's was a great source of competitive pride.

See, the problem is not taking the word of God how it is written. The problem is understanding HOW it is written.

Do you also practice greeting each other with a kiss?
1Th 5:26 Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss.
2Co 13:12 Greet one another with a holy kiss.
1Co 16:20 All the brothers send you greetings. Greet one another with a holy kiss.
Rom 16:16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you.

Understood in it's historical context, this was a cultural thing for them. Paul was not giving a new command. But maybe, just maybe you really do just take the word of God like this and preach everyone in your church must kiss each other instead of a handshake.

This sort of lack of understanding is probably what led to snake handlers as well.

At least RDP is consistent, right?

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Originally Posted by rdp

Strange, I conducted a SCRIPTURAL study of these passages [regarding braided hair] several years ago & could not find this FROM THE SCRIPTURES THEMSELVES. I've heard this argument ad nauseum but have NEVER ONCE seen any credible documentation on it. All of these arguments MUST be imported form outside of the biblical texts themselves...Hmmm??

The UPCI also teaches that it's a sin for women to cut their hair...do you also adhere to this Prax? Unfortunately for you...NO! You commit the "Argumentum ad Populum" fallacy here.

A greeting w/ a kiss is not tied to the creation model as the "women preacher's" issue is. "FOR Adam was FIRST formed, THEN Eve." You're equivocating again...but, anything to circumvent the Word of God...right Prax?

Why do you always do that? You have three technical argumentation fallacies and you keep throwing them around so awkwardly.

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Originally Posted by rdp

Where's your "example" of the "prophetess"? The text says NO SUCH THING. Hey Prax, you are not free to just make up your own Bible! BTW, if I do some electrical work around my house, am I to be considered automatically as an "Electrician"? Keep this up & you'll see the truth...check back 2mmorrow...busy!

Daughter who prophesies. Prax is saying those "prophetess" is not listed, it's quite clear women prophesied, which we would call a "prophetess."

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Originally Posted by Light

Good Lord what a arguing spirit.
Both sides.
1578 posts.

That's judge and arbiter. Did you come to resolve the topic at hand?

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Originally Posted by rdp

Ahhh yes, the ol' "Kiss" argument [borrowed form Josh Spiers/Jason Young, no doubt!]. I personally know of some who DO practice this & YES, I wish it were still practiced! Silly me....there I go believing the Bible again....who-da'-thunk-it????

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

You know rdp - not everyone is as ignorant as your followers. You might intimidate the illiterate mental midgets that hear you but you don't intimidate people on here with good sense. Go somewhere else with your rhetoric - you obviously only want to argue and try to make people think you actually have some Bible knowledge but you are deceived!

AB, again, you've got on here to "tell off" RDP, but haven't contributed to the topic.