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09-06-2007, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by johnmark93
Absolutely.
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Are you saying it's a 'money' thing with MM or a 'soul' thing? Because if all he cares about is engagements, then he only wants to be seen of men and the prestige and money it will afford him.
I don't know the guy but from what I read his heart is after souls. 
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09-06-2007, 04:53 PM
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Formerly known as CareyM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Not really.  No one on the street is going to hold it against him, and those are the engagements he really cares about. |
Agreeing with you!
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09-06-2007, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Are you saying it's a 'money' thing with MM or a 'soul' thing? Because if all he cares about is engagements, then he only wants to be seen of men and the prestige and money it will afford him.
I don't know the guy but from what I read his heart is after souls. |
No, I am saying his article will affect his pocketbook negatively. A risk he is obviously courageous enough to take.
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09-06-2007, 04:56 PM
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I tell you, he is a marked man.
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He's been sealed by the Holy Spirit.
Hopefully he will take the same line as Paul and not be a man pleaser.
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. Gal 1:10
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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09-06-2007, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by johnmark93
I tell you, he is a marked man.
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He has been, wayyyyyyy before he posted that little blog, and even wayyyy before any other controversies and scandals. I know of ministers who come nigh to hating him, just because they don't like the fact that he *gasp* thinks they ought to pray and fast and evangelize as much as possible.
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abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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09-06-2007, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by johnmark93
No, I am saying his article will affect his pocketbook negatively. A risk he is obviously courageous enough to take.
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Okay.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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09-06-2007, 05:10 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Right and MY point is just because we have DONE them or TRIED them does not mean we have DONE them effectively. If this is our reason, that we have done other things, for using TV I fear that mentality will just cause people to give up the other options because we tried them. I guess I just don't agree with the analogy. At first sight it might sound peppy, but I think it is flawed. We need ALL our options, You can't fit that analogy really into a football game. We need all our options and we need to do them all well...far better than we have
I might have missed his point, but I am still cautious we don't send the wrong message to the body of Christ of what TV is. It is not to be our last option :-) ...we really need to concentrate MORE on the other options. Allow for TV, but let's get the other stuff done right
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Ok Prax, I agree with ya. TV is not the end all. It is like a band-aid covering up a knife wound.
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09-06-2007, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
He has been, wayyyyyyy before he posted that little blog, and even wayyyy before any other controversies and scandals. I know of ministers who come nigh to hating him, just because they don't like the fact that he *gasp* thinks they ought to pray and fast and evangelize as much as possible.
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That is too sad for words.
I know of no such ministers. 
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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09-06-2007, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I have not read the entire thread... but...
I see some thought provoking material in that letter.
My greatest concern with the letter is the notion to souls are not being reached by anyone other than the UPC.
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Well said, Stephan!
That was my thought exactly. I do not believe God has placed the eternal destiny of his creation in the hands of mortal men. While God has called us all to be light, salt and poured our wine in our individual worlds, the responsibility of the whole world is His not ours.
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09-06-2007, 05:37 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
It is also incredibly presumptuous to think that putting apostolic content on 1 or 2 channels out of 400 is going to reach the WHOLE WORLD.
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You are correct. But remember it takes 1 fishing line, 1 fishing pole and some bait to fish. Because you have all the parts, line, pole and bait does not mean you will catch every fish, right? But it does increase your chances of catching fish if you have several lines, pole, and bait to drop in a try to catch fish...doesn't it?
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