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Old 07-15-2007, 07:42 PM
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I always think of God as a male. Male or female greek pronouns aren't going to change that one iota so .... whatever.

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Old 07-15-2007, 07:43 PM
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HO, when you use the word "also," there seems to be inherent in that thought that Jesus was structurally different that I am.
No, I was referring to the humanity of Jesus separately from His deity. I wasn't comparing His humanity to ours.

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Jesus was/is a Spirit. You and I are are spirits. Period. End of discussion. Book closed. Class dismissed. Lights out.
We are spirits as well as humans. We are not only spirits.

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Jesus was/is nothing unlike you and I in this regard. He too, is a Spirit...albeit the Holy Spirit, omnipresent. Yes, Jesus is humanity. He is God. He is the ONLY man that is diety..or God. This man IS God. To use the word "also," somehow draws the reader to assume that one believes that there is a distinction between God and Jesus, the man. This is a mistaken idea. There is NO distinction between God and the man Christ Jesus except...now this is imporant to remember...EXCEPT in his mediatorial role in which he officiates in the office of SON of God...by which blood was shed for redemption...a work that was completed on the cross.

So let us not think in the "also." Let us rather think, "This man born of a virgin in Bethlehem of Judea, lived, taught, suffered under Pontius Pilate, died, rose again, ascended on high and has promised to return again, IS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, GOD ALMIGHTY. In short, we must think: THAT MAN IS GOD.
Not meaning to offend, but the above has nothing to do with the topic. We are discussing the spirit of God, not His humanity.

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The fact that He is a MAN, denotes gender.
A man because he was human. He's not human as a spirit. The question is, does the spirit have a gender? You said yes, and I'm looking for scripture to that effect without the mention of His being human.



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Well, I guess he could have come as a neuter, having no navel button, no sex, no nipples on his chest, no buttocks or colon or any such thing that made him entirely like me as Heb 2 states. But then, who would have received him. I doubt that the disciples would have received what they would have thought of as a curious freak.
Now you are getting my point! The purpose of Him having a gender was for OUR benefit, not HIS! Humanity had a gender. But...does His spirit?



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Well, the bible says that they are men. The word denotes gender in my opinion. Jacob wrestled with such a very powerful man all night long one night. The man finally put a whoopin on Jacob just before dawn. He limped for the rest of his life. Some fight. Some man.
The Bible says that angels are men? Where? When they are seen on earth? Where does the Bible refer to angels as men in the Bible except when they are seen of men on the earth? IOW, where does God refer to the angels as a gender assigned being in heaven?
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Old 07-15-2007, 07:47 PM
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This verse just dropped in my inner beings...

John 16:13

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
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Old 07-15-2007, 07:47 PM
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Clinically speaking... LOL

Gotta luv ya, girl.

It becomes clear, like so many other Apostolic people, you are trying to divide God up, trying to recognize God as to what is Spirit and what is man. But, there is no man at all...impossible to be a man without spirit. It is impossible for it to be divided as to recognize a division or distinction between the God and the Man...except for the duration of his "kenosis" or humiliation during the time on earth, in His pre-glorified state. Since then, there are no distinction unless we want to be 2/3rds Trinitarian.
I don't see it as dividing God up, just recognizing His various attributes and manifestations.

God is a Spirit. Jesus was human. Recognizing those differences isn't dividing God up, but merely recognizing a manifestation of the Spirit of God.
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Old 07-15-2007, 07:49 PM
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This verse just dropped in my inner beings...

John 16:13

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
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Hmmm...
You mean the Spirit is a He too?!?!?! Whatever shall we do?????
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Old 07-15-2007, 07:50 PM
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Actually Mizpeh was correct in saying there is a pronoun in the verse. I was just not sure it referred to the Spirit or to the witnesses.

However the article in question is the neuter. It is NOT "ho". Ho is masculine. It's TO and it is NOT being translated "it". It's being translated THE or not translated at all. Very often articles are NOT translated
I don't appreciate being talked about this way. Not one bit.


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I'm totally feminine, even if I do have a deep voice! So there!
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I don't appreciate being talked about this way. Not one bit.


It's lies, all lies, I tell ya!!!!


I'm totally feminine, even if I do have a deep voice! So there!
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Old 07-15-2007, 07:55 PM
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We all know what makes us a certain gender, so I won't go into details, but I have to wonder...how does what makes us male and female apply to God? I understand that God assigns Himself a gender for our benefit, but since male and female attributes are what makes us male and female, in what way does God possess those attributes? I'm speaking about His Spirit, not His flesh.
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Before Jesus was born, was God male? In what way(s)???
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Before Jesus was born, was God male? In what way(s)???
I hope someone answers this from you, cause they aren't answering it from me......LOL!
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