Are we to repent for our ancestors past sins? - Page 16

n david · #**151** 08-23-2018, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Is somebody arguing that one can repent for other people and it produces forgiveness for those people?

No.

aegsm76 · #**152** 08-23-2018, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

If the OT idea of confession includes confessing the sins of one's people and ancestors, and the NT does not redefine confession, then...?

Sure and it does not redefine the issue of raising up children for your dead brother either...
And many other issues that I could name.

berkeley · #**153** 08-23-2018, 12:51 PM

Hmm. Who do I repent for? My Spanish ancestors that raped my indigenous ancestors?
My indigenous ancestors that worshipped idols and committed human sacrifices to false gods?

n david · #**154** 08-23-2018, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by berkeley

Hmm. Who do I repent for? My Spanish ancestors that raped my indigenous ancestors?
My indigenous ancestors that worshipped idols and committed human sacrifices to false gods?

Both or you will be "implicated in" all their sins...

berkeley · #**155** 08-23-2018, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Both or you will be "implicated in" all their sins...

Aquila · #**156** 08-23-2018, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Is somebody arguing that one can repent for other people and it produces forgiveness for those people?

No. lol They're arguing against a self-created theological construct. lol

Aquila · #**157** 08-23-2018, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by berkeley

Hmm. Who do I repent for? My Spanish ancestors that raped my indigenous ancestors?
My indigenous ancestors that worshipped idols and committed human sacrifices to false gods?

Do you suffer from compulsive, violent, sexual urges from which victory remains elusive?
Do you suffer from a constant drawing, or temptation, to "dabble" in idolatry or the occult?
Are those sins effecting your life, your family, or society at large in any manner today (hatred, violence, pain, oppression, loss)?

If so, what contribution can you make to heal the effects of those ancestral sins?

n david · #**158** 08-23-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

No. lol They're arguing against a self-created construct. lol

What I'm arguing against is your comment that if we don't repent for our ancestor's sins that somehow we're "implicated" in their sin.

I completely disagree. There is no biblical or spiritual requirement or benefit to do this, other than to make the person doing it feel better about themselves. It's vanity. It's self-serving. It's taking liberal politics (reparations, apologies for ancestral wrongs, etc) and trying to apply it to christian living.

berkeley · #**159** 08-23-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Are those sins effecting your life or society at large in any manner today?
Do you suffer from compulsive sexual urges from which victory remains elusive?
Do you suffer from a constant drawing, or temptation, to "dabble" in idolatry or the occult?
Are the effects of those sins still lingering causing hate, pain, conflict, oppression, or loss in the lives of others?

If so, what can you do to make things right?

Yes. I just have this urge to hump your leg like a dog and read tarot cards, laying on a pentagram surrounded by lit candles.

When it’s over I’m sure I’ll feel like a conquistador.

n david · #**160** 08-23-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Do you suffer from compulsive, violent, sexual urges from which victory remains elusive?
Do you suffer from a constant drawing, or temptation, to "dabble" in idolatry or the occult?
Are those sins effecting your life, your family, or society at large in any manner today (hatred, violence, pain, oppression, loss)?

If so, what contribution can you make to heal the effects of those ancestral sins?