Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Muslims are not "my brothers" unless you are speaking of humanity in general. As to the spiritual only those who have been born again are "my brothers and sisters".

Terrorism is self evident and does not need to be defined.
Hi-jacking airplanes and flying them into buildings is not workplace violence.
Planting bombs at a sporting event is not workplace violence.
Using a hatchet to attack police officers because of jihad is not workplace violence.
Decapitating a woman while screaming allahu akbar is not workplace violence.
Marching into a chow hall for jihad and shooting at unarmed fellow soldiers is not workplace violence.

And the list goes on and on.
And no you could not have me "cringing" with your examples. You obviously don't know me.
Your "data" being based upon "empirical" evidence means you have NO scientific data. You have your opinion and that is all. You are welcome to your opinion but not your own facts.

The "incidents" I quoted are not "propaganda" nor were they "incited". Neither were they "isolated". These are not "just people" these are MULTITUDES of Muslims perpetrating atrocities all over the world in the name of Islam. The unholy quran is as much a legal document as a religious document and Sharia is based upon that document. I have already pointed out about the subjugation of women and the atrocities perpetrated upon women in the name of Islam, after all allah knows best right?

Yes, and of course you also get to define 'born again,' which will involve the correct way to hold ones mouth when contemplating brotherly love.

Terrorism is self evident? What about financial terrorism? Funny you cite an example of planes flying into towers, that even most Americans now reject. Maybe Kennedy was wrong about the 'secret cabal,' too-you hope. There is no multitude of Muslims committing any atrocities, sorry-if you reject that a Christian believer may commit atrocities and still be a Christian, then it is nothing less than hypocrisy to suggest that the same might not be true for a Muslim. What yack! And the list goes on and on...gag. Let's ignore that American cops murder more people every day now than Boco Haram. You want video or what?

And wadr, you have no idea how those incidents may or may not have come about, and neither do I-but it's practically guaranteed to have been taken out of context and twisted to fit an agenda, if you got it from tv. No, guaranteed. I fail to understand why a seeker would accept the most obviously whacked propaganda, yet refuse to accept common sense, like that OBL would have loved to have taken credit for 9/11, if he had done it-but, tempted as he surely was, he declined?

it is from contemplating these that the truth is found. I don't mean to say that that little snippet should convince you of some grand conspiracy, but I am suggesting that the truth must be sought, and, by definition, will not be brought to you whole by any non-vested interests.

[shazeep]

You might Google "Dylan Ratigan meltdown" if you haven't seen it yet, some clues there...

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ok, that evidence is not empirical; but I never said it was. So, I dare you to go to Compton and that's a fact. You answer with an evasion?

LOL! I used to live out there.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Wadr Pliny, it is an established fact that is being intentionally obscured from us. Explain to me why "Christians murdering" is an oxymoron, but "Muslims murdering" is not. It's not a conspiracy-I'm sure that you are at least vaguely aware that something like 96% of your media is controlled by 6 organizations-Billy Ray Cyrus "they have my daughter" is just the fluff.

And it is not the Baptists or Methodists because people busy eating and wiping their mouths-while condemning everyone else to hell, of course-simply don't make for many eyeballs on Fox News. I list, and could list, 'facts' all day, which are/will be ignored or justified. You have no problems with being seen as the world's largest arms dealer? (Nice commish on all those new F-35s to Israel, btw...oh ya, it was already your money! )

And as to your list, you will find what you seek. Congratulations on swallowing the bait, which had to be dug up in Africa, very much. If you're so worried for Africans why not feed a few of them instead of sending all that thimerosal-laced vaccine to test out on them? Speaking generally of course.

Ok, and if you will clarify whether you want doc for "80 years" (Google "80 year cycle") or the mutually exclusive inciting of the nations to keep them divided and fighting each other (as if), I will provide. But understand that even tho this reality was once trumpeted in the news, the ptb have gotten smarter, and no longer reveal their motives so openly.

"Established fact"? All I have seen from you is opinion. NO evidence of any kind. You are entitled to your opinion. Have at it.

Christians do not murder. To be a Christian is to be like Christ and He said that His kingdom was not of this world therefore His followers do not fight.

Muslims on the other hand, multitudes of them, believe there are three options:
1) Convert to Islam, by force if necessary.
2) Have your head cut off.
3) Become a subjugated class of people. Like in Egypt where the Coptic Christians routinely have their daughters kidnapped and forced to convert.

Yeah Islam is so peaceful that it's okay to beat your wife, allah knows best right?
And I could go on and on but like previous posts you will just ignore the facts of the koran.

The rant concerning Baptists and Methodists is nothing more than claptrap. The idea of the US selling arms is nothing more than a straw man argument. Many nations sell arms to other nations, especially allied nations. Logically it makes logistics easier if you have to defend one another. Your using the same equipment making the logistics easier but that is just common sense.

Yes what you seek you will find. Except of course your conspiracy theory.

I will "google the 80 year cycle" since you cannot provide any other sliver of evidence for your theories.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Yes, and of course you also get to define 'born again,' which will involve the correct way to hold ones mouth when contemplating brotherly love.

Terrorism is self evident? What about financial terrorism? Funny you cite an example of planes flying into towers, that even most Americans now reject. Maybe Kennedy was wrong about the 'secret cabal,' too-you hope. There is no multitude of Muslims committing any atrocities, sorry-if you reject that a Christian believer may commit atrocities and still be a Christian, then it is nothing less than hypocrisy to suggest that the same might not be true for a Muslim. What yack! And the list goes on and on...gag. Let's ignore that American cops murder more people every day now than Boco Haram. You want video or what?

And wadr, you have no idea how those incidents may or may not have come about, and neither do I-but it's practically guaranteed to have been taken out of context and twisted to fit an agenda, if you got it from tv. No, guaranteed. I fail to understand why a seeker would accept the most obviously whacked propaganda, yet refuse to accept common sense, like that OBL would have loved to have taken credit for 9/11, if he had done it-but, tempted as he surely was, he declined?

it is from contemplating these that the truth is found. I don't mean to say that that little snippet should convince you of some grand conspiracy, but I am suggesting that the truth must be sought, and, by definition, will not be brought to you whole by any non-vested interests.

The Bible gets to define "born again". And it has nothing to do with contemplating brotherly love.

You continuously make unfounded statements like "most Americans now reject [airplanes flying into buildings]. Really? Where did this "evidence" come from? What survey states "most Americans reject" this? I have never seen it or heard it. I don't know a single person who rejects this. So just more unfounded speculation.

As to your comments that there is "no multitude of Muslims committing atrocities" then you are hopeless. Multitudes of facts have been documented on this thread and you prefer to stick your head in the ground. No problem. You have a right to be wrong. You have a right to your opinion. You have a right to ignore facts.

Yes I would like you to document where police are "murdering" more people than Boko Haram. You do know what murder is i hope?

1.
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder) and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder?s=t

BTW This is called documentation...

Oh yes and let's not forget your typical unfounded speculation about "financial" terrorism. Here is some advice: stay away from the kool-aid!

OH and BTW I don't have a TV and don't watch it so your premise is flawed. I get my information from research. Again if you believe there is a conspiracy document your findings others it is nothing more than a straw man at best.

[shazeep]

you wish. did DRatigan also come across as complete gibberish to you? And "We have arms because they have arms; who needs God to defend us?" is an understandable reply-go ye, and pledge allegiance then.

And the question still remains, I notice, why it is not hypocrisy to condemn Muslims, but anyone who pastes "Christian" on their jewelry gets a free pass. Rhetoric is still persuasive tho, huh-even if it avoids some uncomfortable truth. Ok. Pentecostalism is so peaceful that it's ok to sleep with your daughter...want some "evidence" for that? I didn't think so.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by shazeep

You might Google "Dylan Ratigan meltdown" if you haven't seen it yet, some clues there...

Two things I will look into.
1) 80 day cycle
2) Dylan Ratigan meltdown

[Pliny]

OK I quickly looked up "Dylan Ratigan meltdown" and found a man declaring the main issue as being the financial turmoil and the trillions being pulled out of the country.

On this I agree.

The government has overspent by trillions. There ARE trillions in unfunded liabilities. At some point in time the house of cards will come crashing down. When this happens it will be worse, in my opinion, than in the Great Depression.

This does not in any way have anything to do with multitudes of Islamic terrorists murdering, kidnapping and otherwise destroying communities they are in. Wherever Islam has gone Sharia becomes a reality in one form or another.

[shazeep]

I have lived around Muslims forever, and have yet to be proselytizes even once. I am on an iPad, and don't know how to use it, otherwise I would just provide the links for you-but they are not hard to find. I can say with confidence that these 'conspiracy theories,' including the one divulged by JFK-oh, but he was prolly just another nut, too, right-are not my own, but are widely held. But hey, just wrap Ol' Glory around you a bit tighter, maybe stick the corners in your ears...I did. I don't even blame you. The machine is powerful.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Pliny

OK I quickly looked up "Dylan Ratigan meltdown" and found a man declaring the main issue as being the financial turmoil and the trillions being pulled out of the country.

On this I agree.

The government has overspent by trillions. There ARE trillions in unfunded liabilities. At some point in time the house of cards will come crashing down. When this happens it will be worse, in my opinion, than in the Great Depression.

This does not in any way have anything to do with multitudes of Islamic terrorists murdering, kidnapping and otherwise destroying communities they are in. Wherever Islam has gone Sharia becomes a reality in one form or another.

no, this is about the hypocrisy intrinsic in an American Christian's uttering (muttering) "Muslim terrorists" with glazed eyes, Pliny-I know you to be a genuine seeker who loves God; we are just, all of us, deceived in various ways.