Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/14

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

No I am not. I am still friends with him but we did part ways when I saw the truth of justification by faith and denied that tongues was the only universal initial evidence of the baptism of the HG.

I now pastor a small church here in Decatur. Fellowshipbiblentx.org
Been in that church 3 years, been pastor since May 2013.

Does everyone in the congregation believe what you believe?

[good samaritan]

I just want to know what the cut difference is. All I can tell is if the pants fit tight I can distinguish, but other than that it would take a color to give it away. I have never forbade a lady from wearing pants, but only teach them what the Bible says and a brief amount of US history.
Would it be o.k. you think for men to start a trend of wearing dresses? Why not because that is basically how ladies in our country started. I spoke to an old timer that lived back in the depression and he said he remembered his mother wearing his dad's pants underneath her skirt in the cotton fields to protect her legs, but it would have been unacceptable in their house for her to go to town wearing pants and they were baptist.

I understand it is now culturally accepted and because of that I wouldn't dream of spilling everything out at once on a new convert. But, I think you would agree that culture seems to drift further from God instead of closer to Him. Take a walk through your local Walmart and you will find most ladies wear pants, and then you shouldn't notice but most of them aren't modest. I get so frustrated at having to jerk my head every witch way to avoid "Christian" ladies wearing form fitted blue jeans and they are all most that way.

When ladies began wearing pants in our country it wasn't culturally accepted, but people kept on wearing them and pushing them until now it doesn't matter. Why do you think that boat wouldn't float for men? Most men phsycologically couldn't bring themselves to making a dress designed for their curves. If you think about the motivations for why it became culturally accepted you probably agree it hasn't been for the better.

Anyway, if issues like this is what SP was teaching I see why it has hurt the church. As EB said earlier you can't preach against something for decades and then just up and change your mind and say it doesn't matter anymore and expect people to just jump in line. Matter of fact it probably would be offensive to most of those who have supported the church to have grown it to what it is today.

I am not insulted by what you feel either way and I will pray for you and call you brother. I still feel the way I do regarding holiness standards and I will use wisdom with how and when I communicate it, but most importantly my family will example it. It is shameful to me though for preachers of the gospel to have ever taught it and to up and change their mind and offend and destroy the faith of people who have followed them. You should know where you stand before you start teaching anything.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Does everyone in the congregation believe what you believe?

No. I don't force them to believe everything I believe. As long as they don't have a problem with essentials there is room for difference of opinions while still maintaining unity in Christian love.

There are still many things I would like to teach. The church went through a split over Calvinism shortly after I arrived and then a few people left over a couple of issues and long story short I ended up preaching then became pastor. Its a huge challenge. I'm not sure how its going to turn out. We have had a lot of visitors recently, some sticking around. We'll see what happens. Honestly we could be thriving a year from now or I could be helping someone else. Its like a home missions work from the ground up.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I am correct that you don't know, and have limited information on this subject? Yet you know for certain the garments in "Biblical times" were the similar for both genders? Because this was what you have "read" throughout your life when you seen material on the subject? Did you ever consider that you might be wrong concerning this subject? That the difference between men and women's clothing in Judea and Israel were greater than we could even imagine? That even other groups around the Roman Empire also had strong differences in dress concerning male and female. That in Rome one needed to be dressed a certain way to indicate that status in the Empire.

Even homosexuals and prostitutes were know by their clothing, hence attire of a harlot statement found in Proverbs 7:10.




What culture? The United States? Bosnia? India? When you say modern Pentecostal are you basically referring to the United States?



Do you believe that God doesn't care about differences in attire between males and females. Not even talking pants, but differences between genders? If cultural, let's say United States, then does man dictate to God what is masculine or feminine? Or the other way around?



So who is charge of what to wear?

God or man?

Also culture dictates how much clothes you need in public.

So in your view, how little is too little?

Instead of being a such a smarty pants about it why don't you share the knowledge you have. I have been kind in my responses and all you have been is condescending.

Yes I absolutely have general knowledge from research I have done in the past but don't recall specifically. Particularly since it has been over 30 years since I was in Bible Collgee. Again you have a very condescending spirit.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Does everyone in the congregation believe what you believe?

That's a hard question to ask any pastor. Even Jesus had one out of 12 that didn't really believe His message and some of the other 11 were questionable.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

No. I don't force them to believe everything I believe. As long as they don't have a problem with essentials there is room for difference of opinions while still maintaining unity in Christian love.

There are still many things I would like to teach. The church went through a split over Calvinism shortly after I arrived and then a few people left over a couple of issues and long story short I ended up preaching then became pastor. Its a huge challenge. I'm not sure how its going to turn out. We have had a lot of visitors recently, some sticking around. We'll see what happens. Honestly we could be thriving a year from now or I could be helping someone else. Its like a home missions work from the ground up.

Building looks nice.

I don't believe this thread's topic is about any preacher forcing his congregants to believe anything. But you made two interesting statements, you said, you don't force them to believe everything you believe, as long as they don't have a problem with essentials. What are the essentials to you?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by CC1

Instead of being a such a smarty pants about it why don't you share the knowledge you have. I have been kind in my responses and all you have been is condescending.

CC1, I read your posts sometimes and hit "old time Pentecost" and it may just be me, but it seems to me you use the phrase like your were talking about Neanderthal race of subhumans? Not wanting to use deodorant? Come on, do all old time Pentecostals handle snakes?

CC1, can a woman be a smarty pants?

Originally Posted by CC1

Yes I absolutely have general knowledge from research I have done in the past but don't recall specifically. Particularly since it has been over 30 years since I was in Bible Collgee. Again you have a very condescending spirit.

A spirit?

This coming from a you who has David Wasmundt's book as your avatar.

Good God from Zion.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

CC1, I read your posts sometimes and hit "old time Pentecost" and it may just be me, but it seems to me you use the phrase like your were talking about Neanderthal race of subhumans? Not wanting to use deodorant? Come on, do all old time Pentecostals handle snakes?

CC1, can a woman be a smarty pants?




A spirit?

This coming from a you who has David Wasmundt's book as your avatar.

Good God from Zion.

Clearly you don't read my posts very well because you just mischaracterized what I said about deoderant. I never said old time Pentecostals don't use deoderant. My point wsa that they do and that violates the logic they use in not dying their hair, wearing makeup, etc for women (that you are changing something from the way God made it).

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by CC1

Clearly you don't read my posts very well because you just mischaracterized what I said about deoderant. I never said old time Pentecostals don't use deoderant. My point wsa that they do and that violates the logic they use in not dying their hair, wearing makeup, etc for women (that you are changing something from the way God made it).

Well, thank you for the clarification.

[Evang.Benincasa]

CC1, why the avatar of DW's book?