NFS thinks he is going to drag people out of the body of Christ with his backslid nonsense...actually it makes me know how 'messed up' I could become if I walk away from God and deny Christ. Man, I am really making sure I dont end up like him. It can happen to anyone.
Thanks NFS, I will be sure to cross the finish line because of you. Im serious. It scares me to know what I could be facing if I fall back....
The Lord Jesus quoted this very verse three times in succession at the end of Mark 9 in reference to people going into "hell", i.e. Gehenna, or the Lake of Fire (See also Isaiah 34:1-10).
These are eternal condemnations pronounced against certain people by God.
All are Old Testament.
So is your statement accurate or would you like to withdraw?
Why does NFS keep trying to claim the OT says nothing of an "after-life"?
He even says it's not in the Torah, or is, but just barely.
Here's a quote from God Himself:
"I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob"
Three dead men (but actually still alive in the presence of God) by the time God said this to Moses, which Jesus used from the Torah to prove the resurrection and an after-life to the Sadducees, who said the Torah doesn't teach a resurrection and an after-life.
NFS, Jesus refuted your comments 1,980 some years ago.
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For anyone devoted to His fear:
God's condemnation of necromancy (i.e. wizards with familiar spirits), or death magic, in which spirits from beyond the grave are conjured (a la Samuel).
6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them.
9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Notforsale,
If you will not listen to Moses in the Torah and the Prophets of the Old Testament, is it no wonder you refuse to accept the idea of an after-life?
Not even if someone on this board claimed to have died and gone to heaven or hell, only to be raised from death, would you believe. You would go on your rant about "Spectral Evidence" and dismiss the evidence presented.
Well, guest what? I have not died, have not gone to heaven or hell, but I know Someone who has. His witness is true. Jesus Christ died, descended into Sheol, rose from the dead, and now presides over all of heaven, having been highly exalted by His God and Father.
I know there is an after-life of heaven and hell, not because I have personally experienced either, but because HE HAS, and I trust Him. His word is true.
Unless you deny Christ's death, burial, descent into hell, resurrection, and ascension into heaven?
If you do, then quit wasting time, come out with it, admit to your reprobation, and leave the board and us brain-washed masses to our religious indoctrination.
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For anyone devoted to His fear:
We know there is a resurrection and have hope in it. We also know the afterlife begins with the resurrection for the believer.
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. (I Timothy 4:8)
We know there is a resurrection and have hope in it. We also know the afterlife begins with the resurrection for the believer.
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. (I Timothy 4:8)
Yes, yes, you know because you have read it.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
They will be forced to read every forum post where they smugly asserted that something was the truth, while the people on the other side
(This will be extra embarrassing for me, as I have posts in many forums, on every possible part of the spectrum)
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