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Old 06-21-2013, 08:15 PM
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In fairness, that run-on sentence was masterfully composed and nearly impossible to decipher without crossing my eyes.
After re-reading it I would lean towards confusing over masterful. Just sayin' it was inadvertant
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:19 PM
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Why wouldnt they?

Crime rates in France are even higher than the US and they probably want safe neighborhoods, as there are in other Muslim countries.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:20 PM
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Mecca is a place for prayer and worship, not tourism.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:46 PM
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Why wouldnt they?

Crime rates in France are even higher than the US and they probably want safe neighborhoods, as there are in other Muslim countries.
So you agree Muslims practice segregation? You approve of it?

BTW if you read the articles this was about imposing Sharia law and excluding non muslims (Creating Islamic communities in the heart of Europe, not fighting crime)

BTW You know how many of France's crimes are done by muslims?

Other Muslim nations are not safe. Pakistan? Not safe. Afghanistan? Not safe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Pakistan
Crime in Pakistan is present in various forms. Organised crime includes drug trafficking, money laundering, extortion, murder for hire and fraud. Other criminal operations engage in human trafficking, corruption, black marketeering, political violence, terrorism, abduction etc.
Pakistan falls under the Golden Crescent,[1] which is one of the two major illicit opium producing centres in Asia.[2] Opium poppy cultivation in Pakistan is estimated to be 800 hectares in 2005 yielding a potential production of 4 metric tons of heroin.[3] Opium is cultivated primarily in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province and Pakistan-Afghanistan border.[1] Until the late 1970s, opium production levels were relatively static; it increased after 1979.[1]
Since the beginning of the 1980s, drug trafficking is flourishing in Pakistan.[1] Opium production in Pakistan increased in part due to the "Taliban Effect" (the increasingly conservative views towards both the freedom of women and religion) in Afghanistan. One of the results was the influence on Afghan women to move their families to Pakistan. Once in Pakistan, they were more able to take on important economic roles such as poppy cultivation.[4] Pakistan is a key transit point for Afghan drugs, including heroin, opium, morphine, and hashish, bound for Western countries, the Arab states of the Persian Gulf, and Africa.[3]
An estimated $4 billion is generated from drug trafficking in Pakistan.[5]
Petty crime like theft is common.[6]
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Yes Islam does teach/promote violence. Does the Quran? Well that is another issue.

Have you read about Islams founding?
Have you read about the Israelites taking of the promised land? And no Islam and the Quran does not teach violence.
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Malaysia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Malaysia

Iran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Iran

Is it safe in Syria? No.

How safe is it in Lebanon? Why are all these Muslims coming to Europe and America if it's so bad here?
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Have you read about the Israelites taking of the promised land? And no Islam and the Quran does not teach violence.
And yet sunni and shia muslims kill the men, women and children of the opposing Islamic sects by the thousands every year.

You're denying reality. Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today. You can't find any religion today which has more violence associated with it than Islam.
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So you agree Muslims practice segregation? You approve of it?

BTW if you read the articles this was about imposing Sharia law and excluding non muslims (Creating Islamic communities in the heart of Europe, not fighting crime)

BTW You know how many of France's crimes are done by muslims?

Other Muslim nations are not safe. Pakistan? Not safe. Afghanistan? Not safe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Pakistan
Crime in Pakistan is present in various forms. Organised crime includes drug trafficking, money laundering, extortion, murder for hire and fraud. Other criminal operations engage in human trafficking, corruption, black marketeering, political violence, terrorism, abduction etc.
Pakistan falls under the Golden Crescent,[1] which is one of the two major illicit opium producing centres in Asia.[2] Opium poppy cultivation in Pakistan is estimated to be 800 hectares in 2005 yielding a potential production of 4 metric tons of heroin.[3] Opium is cultivated primarily in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province and Pakistan-Afghanistan border.[1] Until the late 1970s, opium production levels were relatively static; it increased after 1979.[1]
Since the beginning of the 1980s, drug trafficking is flourishing in Pakistan.[1] Opium production in Pakistan increased in part due to the "Taliban Effect" (the increasingly conservative views towards both the freedom of women and religion) in Afghanistan. One of the results was the influence on Afghan women to move their families to Pakistan. Once in Pakistan, they were more able to take on important economic roles such as poppy cultivation.[4] Pakistan is a key transit point for Afghan drugs, including heroin, opium, morphine, and hashish, bound for Western countries, the Arab states of the Persian Gulf, and Africa.[3]
An estimated $4 billion is generated from drug trafficking in Pakistan.[5]
Petty crime like theft is common.[6]
Let's discuss the France issue

The term social apartheid has also been used to explain and describe the ghettoization of Muslim immigrants to Europe in impoverished suburbs[6] and as a cause of rioting and other violence. A notable case is the social situation in the French suburbs, in which largely impoverished Muslim immigrants being concentrated in particular housing projects, and being provided with an inferior standard of infrastructure and social services. The issue of urban apartheid in France was highlighted as such in the aftermath of the 2005 civil unrest in France

So who practices segregation again? What are those people supposed to do?

You REALLY should find the english version of the book "Ghetto Urbaine", read it, then get back to me on "Muslim segregation" in France.

http://www.franceculture.fr/oeuvre-g...peyronnie.html

So you were saying what about Pakistan? Wow you found a Muslim country with a higher murder rate than the US. Their murder rate is 6.81, higher than the US 5.22. Why?

3 guesses where the drugs get CONSUMED homey. Difference between Pakistan and Muslim countries where there are no drugs and crime rates / murder rates are low:

CHURCHES and CHRISTIANS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...es_in_Pakistan

Worldwide - it is the same everywhere lol. You speak of the peacefulness of christianity and the wonderful effect of christianity on society yet nowhere on the planet can you demonstrate that any place where christians are the majority is more peaceful or lawful than any place where they are not.

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Have you read about the Israelites taking of the promised land?
Yes... So? Let's deal with today not yesterday.

Does Israel and the promised land make Islam a benevolent religion? No that's just a red herring

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And no Islam and the Quran does not teach violence.
Islam does.

Crime & Prejudice

  • 2011 Pew study finds Muslims are more "phobic" of non-Muslims than the non-Muslims are "Islamophobic" of Muslims.
  • According to FBI 2008 statistics, anti-Muslim incidents in the US are dropping and only account for 1.3% of all hate crimes.
  • Jewish victims of hate crimes in the US outnumber Muslim victims by a 10-1 ratio.
Anti-Christian hate crime incidents outnumber anti-Muslim incidents in the US. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Sta..._and_Prejudice

  • 40% of Indonesian Muslims say they would use violence against those blaspheming Islam.
  • 78% of British Muslims support punishing people who publish cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad.
Since 1990, 52 people accused of blasphemy in Pakistan have been extra-judicially killed by lynch mobs. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Sta..._-_Free_Speech

  • Homosexual relationships, acts or behavior illegal in 36 Islamic countries. 10 impose the death penalty for homosexuals.
  • As of 1999 in Iran, more than 4000 lesbians and gays had been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution.
The great majority of all mosques in democratic countries— not only in North America, but in most of western Europe as well—are controlled by extremists



Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law, a media investigation has revealed.
Using hidden cameras and telephone recording equipment, two women posing as abused spouses visited ten of Sweden's largest mosques as part of a report put together by Sveriges Television (SVT) investigative news programme "Uppdrag granskning".
The women then asked leaders at the mosques for advice about how to address issues such as polygamy, assault and non-consensual sex.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn't want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police. Leaders at another mosque were divided on the issue, while women received vague advice from yet another mosque.
Only two of the mosques gave the women clear advice directing them to report their abusive husbands to police.
The women were also told by nine of the ten mosques that men had the right – under certain circumstances – to have more than one wife.
Only one mosque told the women that men didn't have the right to be married to several women at the same time and that their husbands needed to follow Swedish law.



The advice, which in many cases advocated violating Swedish laws, came from imams or family counselors at the mosques.
When "Uppdrag granskning" host Janne Josefsson approached two of the largest mosques featured in the programme to inquire about their official position on matters discussed by the women, the answers he received were totally different than what the women heard.
The chair of the Islamic Association in Uppsala claimed in the story that people should follow Swedish law

According to official estimates, about 400 of Tunisia’s approximately 5,000 mosques are now in the hands of radical Islamists. The number has grown since the Tunisian revolution, which started at the end of 2010 and led to the overthrow of longtime dictator Zine ElAbidine Ben Ali

25% of UK mosques have extremist literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors and forbidding interfaith marriages.

We can say that they took over 80 percent of the mosques in the United States. There are more than 3,000 mosques in the United States. This means that the ideology of extremism has been spread to 80 percent of the Muslim population, mostly the youth and the new generation


Mosques across the U.S. continue to carry books and pamphlets describing non-Muslims as "infidels" and promoting intolerance against Western society, according to a forthcoming study by Freedom House, a U.S. human-rights group.

Despite vows from American Islamic leaders after Sept. 11, 2001, to proselytize peacefully, New York based Freedom House researchers found 57 documents with incendiary material in more than a dozen mosques and Islamic centers in six states and Washington, D.C., visited over the past year.



The materials "demonstrate the ongoing indoctrination of Muslims in the United States in the hostility and belligerence of Saudi Arabia's hardline Wahhabi sect of Islam," says the report, an advance copy of which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal...........

An undercover survey of more than 100 mosques and Islamic schools in America has exposed widespread radicalism, including the alarming finding that 3 in 4 Islamic centers are hotbeds of anti-Western extremism, WND has learned. The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.
"So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist," an official familiar with the project said.
Many of the Islamic centers are operating under the auspices of the Saudi Arabian government and U.S. front groups for the radical Muslim Brotherhood based in Egypt.
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The project, headed by David Yerushalmi, a lawyer and expert on sharia law, has finished collecting data from the first cohort of 102 mosques and schools. Preliminary findings indicate that almost 80 percent of the group exhibit a high level of sharia-compliance and jihadi threat, including:
• Ultra-orthodox worship in which women are separated from men in the prayer hall and must enter the mosque from a separate, usually back, entrance; and are required to wear hijabs.
• Sermons that preach women are inferior to men and can be beaten for disobedience; that non-Muslims, particularly Jews, are infidels and inferior to Muslims; that jihad or support of jihad is not only a Muslim's duty but the noblest way, and suicide bombers and other so-called "martyrs" are worthy of the highest praise; and that an Islamic caliphate should one day encompass the U.S.
• Solicitation of financial support for jihad.
• Bookstores that sell books, CDs and DVDs promoting jihad and glorifying martyrdom

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Sta..._%28Mosques%29

Islam teaches/promotes violence. Yes it does but no not ALL Islam does. The extremism is growing.

Scripture

  • There are 164 Jihad verses in the Qur'an & nearly 500 verses (roughly 1 out of every 12) that speak of Hell.
  • Practicing Muslims recite anti-Semitic & anti-Christian rhetoric at least 17 times a day, and over 5,000 times a year.
  • Compared to Mein Kampf, the non-abrogated Medinan verses of the Qur'an contain more than 2x the amount of anti-Jewish text.
122 peaceful Qur'anic verses have been abrogated by the Sword verse (9:5) and Fighting verse (9:29).http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics

Terrorism

  • 2012 report finds the majority of world's terrorism committed by Muslims. Almost 9000 deaths caused by Sunni terrorists in 2011.
  • Esposito/Mogahed find almost 4 out of 10 Muslims worldwide are extremists who think 9/11 was totally/partially/somewhat justified.
More than 95% of all suicide bombing attacks conducted worldwide are carried out by Muslims http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics

Shari'ah

  • 1 out of 3 British Muslims aged 16 to 24 believe that Muslim apostates should be executed.
  • Majority of worlds Muslims favor changing laws in their countries to allow stoning/amputation for "crimes", and death for apostasy.
  • Only 26% of Muslims in Turkey say they would adhere to laws passed by Parliament if it contradicted religious laws.
Poll finds neither education nor age explains attitudes toward the role of Shari’ah in legislation.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics

Persecution

  • There are 7 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
  • 9 of the top 10 persecutors of Christians are Islamic countries. Of the top 50 countries, only 12 have a source other than Islam.
  • Turkey tops list of countries violating the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) for 3 consecutive years.
As of 2010, Indonesia had over 150 religiously motivated regulations restricting minorities’ rights.

Honor Violence

  • 91 percent of all honor-related killings around the world are carried out by Muslims (84% in US, 96% in Europe).
  • The number of honor killings in Pakistan are estimated to be around 2,500 to 3,000 cases every year.
  • Nearly 3,000 honor attacks mainly carried out against Muslim women were recorded by British police in 2010.
More than two-thirds of all murders in the Gaza Strip and West Bank are honor killings

  • 46% of UK Muslims believe "the Jewish community in Britain is in league with the Freemasons to control the media and politics."
64% in Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, and Indonesia believe it is US foreign policy to spread Christianity in the Middle-East

What are they being taught? The evidence is overwhelming
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In Britain, Baroness Cox has been working tirelessly for years to see British law reinstated and sharia jurisdiction reversed. During hearings on her bill, now called the Arbitration and Mediation Services Equality Bill, Baroness Donaghy (Labour Party) called the presumed acquiescence of women to unequal and often cruel treatment as “consensual as rape.” A Muslim woman told Baroness Cox:
I feel betrayed by Britain, I came to this country to get away from all this but the situation is worse here than in my country of origin
http://counterjihadreport.com/tag/mo...teaching-hate/

I wish it were different but it's not and it's growing WORSE and Western governments do nothing and moderates like WII just change the topic to something else
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