Disturbing hair story

[Brett Prince]

Originally Posted by Newman

BP- Not trying to pick on you; but to better understand where you are coming from....


Where is the benefit? How does uncut hair:

1. Benefit a woman's walk with God?

2. Benefit the church?

3. Benefit society?

4. Benefit the church's witness?

Curious...

Sis...I have answered that 20 times if I have answered it once. You don't agree with me on ANY ONE SINGLE POINT. I still have great respect for you, and value the thoughts you bring to bear on the subject. I have no desire, nor do I have the time to debate this. I just couldn't let the "magic hair" thing pass. It's bogus. I think you agree with me on this.

I will just restate in summary what I have many times said. Long hair on a woman looks more feminine and does not detract from her beauty. It tends away from some of the "gender-mixing" and "outlandish styles" that many of the modern styles bring the bear. (That does not mean that it totally eradicates them.) Our ladies stand out, and the beauty of their hair has a very wonderful attraction--and not just to them in a sensual manner....although long hair can be used that way. I have never seen a woman that I thought looked better with short hair than she did with long. But, I have seen plenty that with their long hair and no makeup, looked better than with short hair AND makeup. That is but a personal opinion, and personal taste. I don't expect agreement in this area.

I think that are ladies are impressive when they do their hair in nice fashion, but not outlandlishly--and I think their dedication to God shines through. My opinion again.

I think that society was much less encumbered with open sin before ladies began to follow after more modern fashions in cutting the hair, and wearing pants. I DO NOT say that this is the cause, but merely a symptom begetting more symptoms. If cut hair and pants were the only issues we had to deal with--then preachers could rest easy. They often seem to run along with more problematic issues--but that is certainly not a rule without NUMEROUS exceptions on both sides of the issue.

Yes--I'm more liberal than most conservatives on this, and more conservative than most "liberals" on this...but I am just stating where I am and where I am coming from.

And, this is not intended to pick back. I appreciate the many debates that you and I have both enjoined--and I am the better for them. Interpreted, if I am not as strict on this issue as I once was--I suppose that Newman can be said to bear part of the blame!!!!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Sis...I have answered that 20 times if I have answered it once. You don't agree with me on ANY ONE SINGLE POINT. I still have great respect for you, and value the thoughts you bring to bear on the subject. I have no desire, nor do I have the time to debate this. I just couldn't let the "magic hair" thing pass. It's bogus. I think you agree with me on this.

I will just restate in summary what I have many times said. Long hair on a woman looks more feminine and does not detract from her beauty. It tends away from some of the "gender-mixing" and "outlandish styles" that many of the modern styles bring the bear. (That does not mean that it totally eradicates them.) Our ladies stand out, and the beauty of their hair has a very wonderful attraction--and not just to them in a sensual manner....although long hair can be used that way. I have never seen a woman that I thought looked better with short hair than she did with long. But, I have seen plenty that with their long hair and no makeup, looked better than with short hair AND makeup. That is but a personal opinion, and personal taste. I don't expect agreement in this area.

I think that are ladies are impressive when they do their hair in nice fashion, but not outlandlishly--and I think their dedication to God shines through. My opinion again.

I think that society was much less encumbered with open sin before ladies began to follow after more modern fashions in cutting the hair, and wearing pants. I DO NOT say that this is the cause, but merely a symptom begetting more symptoms. If cut hair and pants were the only issues we had to deal with--then preachers could rest easy. They often seem to run along with more problematic issues--but that is certainly not a rule without NUMEROUS exceptions on both sides of the issue.

Yes--I'm more liberal than most conservatives on this, and more conservative than most "liberals" on this...but I am just stating where I am and where I am coming from.

And, this is not intended to pick back. I appreciate the many debates that you and I have both enjoined--and I am the better for them. Interpreted, if I am not as strict on this issue as I once was--I suppose that Newman can be said to bear part of the blame!!!!

BP: Newman only asked you 4 simple questions. Ya could of answered in less words than you typed to avoid her questions.

[mfblume]

Yep. Another oputward issue and there are more posts on it than inward issues.

Carry on.

[tv1a]

Are you suprised?

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Being sincere doesn't make us right. Preaching doctrine like this without Biblical backup is deceitful. It's also a sin.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Then you are making an issue out of a lady's uncut hair and all that is included in the faith of those who believe this, contrary to what you stated above.

Seems to me the issue he was making was the false doctrine that her hair had some sort of power inside it. It's not her faith ,nor her uncut hair. It's her belief that uncut hair has some supernatural power inside it

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by CC1

MapleSyrupLeaf,

Good to see you posting! I have missed your wisdom and humor!

Thank you, my friend.

I think that you may have meant "humorous wisdom."

[Brett Prince]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

BP: Newman only asked you 4 simple questions. Ya could of answered in less words than you typed to avoid her questions.

FAL--sure--but I have done this before. When I answered those questions--I would have just gotten four more. I don't have time. So, I summarized my whole position--and that will be all I will take time to do.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

You are a strict literalist, correct?


Then, pray tell, why does the scripture begin with:
1 Cor. 11:15 (KJV)
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.


The word "if" in Strong's:

ean, eh-an'; from Greek 1487 (ei) and Greek 302 (an); a conditional particle; in case that, provided, etc.; often used in connection with other particles to denote indefiniteness or uncertainty :- before, but, except, (and) if, (if) so, (what-, whither-) soever, though, when (-soever), whether (or), to whom, [who-] so (-ever). See Greek 3361 (me).

Extra-Bibilcal, to say the least. Is God "conditional", "indefinite", or "uncertain"?

NO, but your interpretation certainly is.

Certainly the word "IF" is used evidently by the passage every lady was NOT doing it and it is only a glory IF she has it. You have NO point whatsoever.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Yep. Another oputward issue and there are more posts on it than inward issues.

Carry on.

NOT SO this outward issue definitely has inward issues.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Sis...I have answered that 20 times if I have answered it once. You don't agree with me on ANY ONE SINGLE POINT. I still have great respect for you, and value the thoughts you bring to bear on the subject. I have no desire, nor do I have the time to debate this. I just couldn't let the "magic hair" thing pass. It's bogus. I think you agree with me on this.

I will just restate in summary what I have many times said. Long hair on a woman looks more feminine and does not detract from her beauty. It tends away from some of the "gender-mixing" and "outlandish styles" that many of the modern styles bring the bear. (That does not mean that it totally eradicates them.) Our ladies stand out, and the beauty of their hair has a very wonderful attraction--and not just to them in a sensual manner....although long hair can be used that way. I have never seen a woman that I thought looked better with short hair than she did with long. But, I have seen plenty that with their long hair and no makeup, looked better than with short hair AND makeup. That is but a personal opinion, and personal taste. I don't expect agreement in this area.

I think that are ladies are impressive when they do their hair in nice fashion, but not outlandlishly--and I think their dedication to God shines through. My opinion again.

I think that society was much less encumbered with open sin before ladies began to follow after more modern fashions in cutting the hair, and wearing pants. I DO NOT say that this is the cause, but merely a symptom begetting more symptoms. If cut hair and pants were the only issues we had to deal with--then preachers could rest easy. They often seem to run along with more problematic issues--but that is certainly not a rule without NUMEROUS exceptions on both sides of the issue.

Yes--I'm more liberal than most conservatives on this, and more conservative than most "liberals" on this...but I am just stating where I am and where I am coming from.

And, this is not intended to pick back. I appreciate the many debates that you and I have both enjoined--and I am the better for them. Interpreted, if I am not as strict on this issue as I once was--I suppose that Newman can be said to bear part of the blame!!!!

BP- Bless you for trying but middle ground is much harder to stand on with this issue than either end.

I think what you said in answering is that it is basically personal preference that makes "you" feel good about seeing women with uncut hair. You think their dedication to God shines through it...

However, I doubt that society sees it in the same way as you do. I suspect it would be more akin to their reaction to Muslim women wearing head coverings. Something burdensome... (NOT SAYING THAT IT IS FOR ALL WOMEN), just pointing out the pros and cons of long hair being considered beneficial to our witness in the community.