What the World Sees as Apostolic

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Don't get hot over this. It's not worth it.

My point is, when you battle in the flesh, you are headed for a fall. This is probably the most classical example that I could think of at the moment. I could certainly recount many of such cases as this.

Ego as big as an elephant? HA!

Ok, I accept your judgment. But what has that got to do with the facts.

There are NO FACTS this guy was lulu from day 1 and everyone who knew him avoided him like the plague and guys who did not know him after a trip or two they learned him and dropped him. He was NEVER part of any fellowship I know of organized or independent. I know tale after tale of liberal guys that did not believe water was wet and were perverts just like this pervert and yes some of them are in prison. His poor folks did look pitiful strong holiness churches in the area thought the same thing. He had no sympathy from them. He was not fellowshipped by his home church or men he grew up with.
To use this extreme case as an example is a red herring and you know it.

[Nina]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

My first language is German (PA Dutch) I spent the first 16 years of my life in a buggy behind a horse. I dream in Amish. What esle do you want?

Brother,

Do You know anything about the UPC's Mennonite
seminar that was held a couple years ago?

That must have been interesting.

How do You teach true Holiness to Mennonites?

Nina

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Nina

Brother,

Do You know anything about the UPC's Mennonite
seminar that was held a couple years ago?

That must have been interesting.

How do You teach true Holiness to Mennonites?

Nina

I only went to one - but it has become an annual event. I have a bit of a problem with the ministry title, Amish and Mennonite Ministeries.... It is a bit strange, considering we don't have "Baptist Ministeries" or "AOG Ministeries".

I suppose I should be voicing this criticizm somewher else...

How do You teach true Holiness to Mennonites? I am not sure what you are asking here... The Mennonite/Amish people are like other denominations in that some have more genuine "holiness" than others.

It is a common misconception that all Mennonites are ultra conservative "plain people". While it is true of most Amish, the Mennonites have many denominations and most do not practice ultraconservative dress.

In my case I was Old Order Mennonite. I know many very fine Christians in the Mennonite Church.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There are NO FACTS this guy was lulu from day 1 and everyone who knew him avoided him like the plague and guys who did not know him after a trip or two they learned him and dropped him. He was NEVER part of any fellowship I know of organized or independent. I know tale after tale of liberal guys that did not believe water was wet and were perverts just like this pervert and yes some of them are in prison. His poor folks did look pitiful strong holiness churches in the area thought the same thing. He had no sympathy from them. He was not fellowshipped by his home church or men he grew up with.
To use this extreme case as an example is a red herring and you know it.

Indeed it is an extreme case but not meant as a red herring. But, since I did not mention any names such as Elder Martin, consider how he fell from his lofty stance of ultra con weapons of carnal warfare.

Not only Elder Martin, whom I loved and appreciated too, I could name many mighty who have fallen leaning on the flesh.

Now, about my ego. Big as an Elephant, huh?

[Nina]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I only went to one - but it has become an annual event. I have a bit of a problem with the ministry title, Amish and Mennonite Ministeries.... It is a bit strange, considering we don't have "Baptist Ministeries" or "AOG Ministeries".

I suppose I should be voicing this criticizm somewher else...

How do You teach true Holiness to Mennonites? I am not sure what you are asking here... The Mennonite/Amish people are like other denominations in that some have more genuine "holiness" than others.

It is a common misconception that all Mennonites are ultra conservative "plain people". While it is true of most Amish, the Mennonites have many denominations and most do not practice ultraconservative dress.

In my case I was Old Order Mennonite. I know many very fine Christians in the Mennonite Church.

Thanks for the reply as I had wondered about it.

I also wondered what the plain people think about the accepted 21st century UPC "Standards"

Seems there would be cultural shock.

Do they usually retain their caps?
Do they embrace more fashionable apparel?
Are their standards allowed to be kept and are they respected?

Thanks,

Nina

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Nina

Thanks for the reply as I had wondered about it.

I also wondered what the plain people think about the accepted 21st century UPC "Standards"

Seems there would be cultural shock.

Do they usually retain their caps?
Do they embrace more fashionable apparel?
Are their standards allowed to be kept and are they respected?

Thanks,

Nina

Yes and no. Some have joined existing Oneness denominations while some others have continued living as Amish and even started a few OP Amish type fellowships.

I have to say... the total numbers of those who have embraced OPare not that great.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I knew of a church in Philly (CLJCAF) that kept a yard stick at the church door... to measure 3-4" off the ground to the skirt bottoms. He also, had armorbearers to open doors for him and carry his bible/read etc.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Armorbearers huh?

How so many of these type people love having rule, seeing themselves as God. They crave the trappings of being such a potentate. It is a God complex. I've seen it sooooooo many times.

When men get a God complex, it will ususally surface by passing judgment before its time. They are taking God's place. Watch out of these kind of deceivers. They will wreck souls and families while not spending one waking moment caring in the least, except for the loss of whatever finacial support that might be missing.

I have seen the "God complex," but also have seen those who did it because they desired to assist the men and women of God and carried their Bible/brief case and such.

I remember Bishop William Bonner tell about while just a young man he followed Bishop RC Lawson around and carried his Bible and eventually became his driver.

It was not Bishop Lawson demanding this attention, rather it was a young man desiring to be up under the man of God.

We must remember that when describing Elisha, the servant could have mentioned any number of great accomplishments, but he reached back and said, "You remember him...he's the one who poured water for Elijah."

Just my thoughts...

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Good.

Or you will know them by the lack of a ring?

HA!

Seems like you always support the wrong folks at the wrong time. Do you really agree with her that I preach "another Gospel?"

[rrford]

Originally Posted by CupCake

Prove where in the word of God it say you'll know them by their outward dress???

You preach another gospel, another way~

You have little scriptural understanding and make too many assumptions.

Further, your repsonse basically calls me accursed. WHy am I not surprised?

Originally Posted by rrford

Seems like you always support the wrong folks at the wrong time. Do you really agree with her that I preach "another Gospel?"

I was only responding to a general statement. If her remark was in answer to or an objection to something that you had said, I did not have that in mind. I only had in mind this one statement.

But, I do support the "wrong" people, whoever they are. Guilty as charged.