Jerry Falwell

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Did King state preachers should never be politicians, then become one, then state he would stay out of politics only to go back in?

This guy has more waffles than Bill Clinton. He's a white Al Sharpton.

That's the price you pay for getting into politics though.

BTW I don't consider King a politician. He was a social activist.

Prax once again suggesting JF is a politician while King is not

Who is obfuscating???

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by josh

What is there to dodge?

Listen, I grieve for the man...and pray for his family. How can you attack OP with such vehemence, even saying he's not a christian????

Do you believe the salvation message of the church you attend??? If so then you should lament Jerry Falwell's stance, too. He was dead set against anyone who spoke with tongues. He refuted the doctrines you claim to preach.

So, what do you really believe???? That he's in heaven?

I know that there are many here who believe Falwell is in heaven and that is consistent with what they believe. It's your attack on OP that has me puzzled.

By the way, I don't rejoice at Falwell's demise. Neither do I pretend he was a great christian leader....or saved. I am deeply saddened by that, too.

You missed the whole point!
The BIBLE will dictate if he is in heaven...the Bible will dictate where he stands in God.

IT BOILS me when some sanctimonious man tries to say..."yup...that another Baptist in hell"!

Let the Lord be the judge....he didnt need that rabid ultra con stuff then and does not need it now.

In my way of thinking..I KNOW HOW TO BE SAVED.....in my way of judging....Ill leave that up to a just God...but it will NEVER cross my lips.

[SDG]

Prax,

One of the pillars of your first arguments, in this thread, is that somehow JF was not a great leader because as a preacher he was a "politician" and has no business in politics ...... you have no legs to stand on .... on this one ...

Are you suggesting his work against abortion, pro-morality, anti- same sex marriage, the de-Christianization of America, is not GOOD ENOUGH????

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by OGIA

I feel for the man's family because they THINK he's eternally secure. I feel for them because they lost a loved one. I feel for them because they'll likely die lost, too.

If we grieve more for the loss of a life more than we grieve for the loss of a soul, we've got some wires crossed and screwed in wrong.

UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
Ignorant......Ignorant!
Now we are putting them in hell before they even die!!!!!!!!!

I am NOT calling you ignorant....but your post smells of a judgmental spirit!

[Theresa]

My 2 cents...

1. he was political, not a politician - not to my knowledge. I dont think he ever held political office. He was concerned about political affairs, shouldnt we all be? Big deal...he was involved, we should all be INVOLVED....


2. He was baptist, he preached and beleived that tongues were unnecessary as was water baptism. For those of us APOSTOLICS on here, it's a valid question, Wonder what he thinks now.......if he died unsaved, he knows this now..However, I have a real hard time beleiving that someone in his position didnt come to the full knowledge of the truth - he just chose not to teach and preach the truth of salvation.....and I too wonder what he thinks now.

3. he was a, well, leader in the regard that he brought issues to the forefront. Forming the what was it, Moral Majority? That was a good move - but he's no "great christian leader"...see my comments above regarding my belief that he HAD full knowledge of the truth....he was human, he made mistakes, so?


it's a sad day for the family and his church family....must we tear each other to shreads b/c we "disagree" on JERRY FALWELL of all people?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Prax once again suggesting JF is a politician while King is not

Who is obfuscating???

Hmmm...once again? dan that is dishonest. I posted that a LONG time ago and after you posted information that MKJ was active in politics I conceded he was a politician...so how can you, AFTER that face post something I said a while ago and say "once again"? Are you THAT desparate to win a little tiny point against me? Wow.

Like I said, it's not really relevant to the topic or even what I was getting it. In fact I would say just you posting this on a non-issue is obfuscating the bigger issue we were discussing. But I digress as it seems you are on roll Dan, willing to say or do anything to win a point. I concede Dan, you were right King IS a politician...I said that already, but perhaps dreams of a scooby snack clouded your vision.

you win dan! Get your scooby snack and have a scooby doo fit. Yup, Dan you won that round. MLK was a Politician too lol..

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Hmmm...once again? dan that is dishonest. I posted that a LONG time ago and after you posted information that MKJ was active in politics I conceded he was a politician...so how can you, AFTER that face post something I said a while ago and say "once again"? Are you THAT desparate to win a little tiny point against me? Wow.

Like I said, it's not really relevant to the topic or even what I was getting it. In fact I would say just you posting this on a non-issue is obfuscating the bigger issue we were discussing. But I digress as it seems you are on roll Dan, willing to say or do anything to win a point. I concede Dan, you were right King IS a politician...I said that already, but perhaps dreams of a scooby snack clouded your vision.

you win dan! Get your scooby snack and have a scooby doo fit. Yup, Dan you won that round. MLK was a Politician too lol..

Once again you have not presented a case for why he was not a great Christian leader ... when the consensus among those he even hate him ... acknowledge his contributions to the Christian right

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by NLYP

UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
Ignorant......Ignorant!
Now we are putting them in hell before they even die!!!!!!!!!

I am NOT calling you ignorant....but your post smells of a judgmental spirit!

If YOU believe that tongues are necessary for salvation, as well as water baptism in Jesus name, then you too can wonder "what he thinks now"

JF was not a tongue talking, HG filled, Jesus Name baptised baptist.

Being baptist doesnt mean you are lost

being unsaved does.

there are a lot of unsaved folks of all denominations.

its not judgemental, its scriptural, sorry if 2+2=4, but it will always = 4....

BUT - who are WE to assume he WASNT saved??? who knows what happened between breakfast and his death..


we dont, we can only hope he was saved.

But again, its a logical question to ask "I wonder".......

it's not being nasty, its a very logical assumption

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Prax,

One of the pillars of you're first arguments, in this thread, is that somehow JF was not a great leader because as a preacher he was a "politician" and has no business in politics ...... you have no legs to stand on .... on this one ...

Are you suggesting his work against abortion, pro-morality, anti- same sex marriage, the de-Christianization of America, is not GOOD ENOUGH????

No, I was pointing out that he WAFFLED a lot by saying no more politics...just preaching....Im back in politics, no Im not.

Second, Dan, I never said he was NOT a "great leader". I did not consider him a great CHRISTIAN leader. If that is your sacred cow and you feel I stepped on your toes little buddy then forgive me. But for the reasons listed I never did consider him a great or solid Christian leader. He was a very VISIBLE Christian.....he was a very politically active Christian, but I never considered him a great Christian leader.

BTW not good enough for what? Michael Savage speaks against all that stuff strongly and is heard all across America...that does not make the man a great CHRISTIAN LEADER. He might be a leader. He might be a visible voice for morality. That does not make the man necessarily a great christian leader.

My cousin attended liberty bible college in lynchburg VA.