NO one particularly me has denied a healing period I certainly think there is a healing period just as you defined but your daughter has not been healing her arm for 20 years has she? No one is just telling folks to get over it. We weep with those who weep. But there becomes a time where weeping instead of healing becomes a sickness itself. Comfort and support is one thing but being an enableler is another thing. But giving it to Jesus is not trite nor compassionless it is true we are inviting to cast our cares on Him for he careth for you. The invitation come unto me all ye that are weak and heavy laden, I will give you rest. Cast thy burden upon the Lord and he shall sustain thee. The itself helpeth our infirmities. The chastisement of our peace was upon Him. Peace I leave with you MY peace I give unto you.
NO one particularly me has denied a healing period I certainly think there is a healing period just as you defined but your daughter has not been healing her arm for 20 years has she? No one is just telling folks to get over it. We weep with those who weep. But there becomes a time where weeping instead of healing becomes a sickness itself. Comfort and support is one thing but being an enableler is another thing. But giving it to Jesus is not trite nor compassionless it is true we are inviting to cast our cares on Him for he careth for you. The invitation come unto me all ye that are weak and heavy laden, I will give you rest. Cast thy burden upon the Lord and he shall sustain thee. The itself helpeth our infirmities. The chastisement of our peace was upon Him. Peace I leave with you MY peace I give unto you.
No, but apparently in 20 years, she could possibly experience some sort of residual pain from the injury; from cold weather, damp weather, etc. just out of the blue.
I was hoping that you weren't saying that people should just get over it; but it appeared that way from some of your posts.
And by the way, we prayed for my daughter quite a bit during her healing process and we put her in God's hands throughout this ordeal. Yet, she still needed time, treatment, etc. in order to fully recover. And she still has scars and painful memories as a result.
As a matter of fact, the memories that I have from her injury are very painful for me still today, over a year later. I cringe when I think back to those days of watching my then 10 year old baby suffer so greatly. I sometimes wonder if I will every fully recover from her injury.
No, but apparently in 20 years, she could possibly experience some sort of residual pain from the injury; from cold weather, damp weather, etc. just out of the blue.
I was hoping that you weren't saying that people should just get over it; but it appeared that way from some of your posts.
I am a pastor I love the saints I pastor I have wept with them comforted them, counseled them, held their hands, hugged their necks, prayed for them in public and private. You can't just say get over it, but in time(not 20 years)
The tears have to dry and life must go on. The graveyard is yesterday no one there is living in the present the demons drove the man to live in the land of yesterdays. We BURY our yesterdays if we are to function today. However our loved ones are buried there. These hurts are not love ones they are hurts but to survive mentally and spiritually we must buried them. I was speaking of folks holding on to their disappointments and hurts for years until it has turned to bitterness where they cannot function properly as a saint.
And by the way, we prayed for my daughter quite a bit during her healing process and we put her in God's hands throughout this ordeal. Yet, she still needed time, treatment, etc. in order to fully recover. And she still has scars and painful memories as a result.
As a matter of fact, the memories that I have from her injury are very painful for me still today, over a year later. I cringe when I think back to those days of watching my then 10 year old baby suffer so greatly. I sometimes wonder if I will every fully recover from her injury.
HE is our Father like you are the parent and He cares when we suffer but He will get over it and our injuries were placed on Him at Calvary. We are engraved in the Palms of His hands.
I am a pastor I love the saints I pastor I have wept with them comforted them, counseled them, held their hands, hugged their necks, prayed for them in public and private. You can't just say get over it, but in time(not 20 years)
The tears have to dry and life must go on. The graveyard is yesterday no one there is living in the present the demons drove the man to live in the land of yesterdays. We BURY our yesterdays if we are to function today. However our loved ones are buried there. These hurts are not love ones they are hurts but to survive mentally and spiritually we must buried them. I was speaking of folks holding on to their disappointments and hurts for years until it has turned to bitterness where they cannot function properly as a saint.
I appreciate the clarification you're now giving. Thank you! Your prior posts suggest that you believe folks should quickly "get over it." It's good to know you don't believe that. Again, thank you. I agree with what you're saying. (Otherwise, I wouldn't have forced my poor daughter to continue lifting that bowling ball while she cried, "It hurts too much, Mom.")
I do want to point out again, though; that even the "expert" wrongly predicted the timeframe in which my daughter would be fully recovered. No, I doubt it would take a person 20 years to heal - however, sometimes, it seems that certain wounds, though healed, still negatively affect a person years later. Not in every case; not even in most cases - but there are times.
I see. So you were so upset and angry that you probly wouldn't listen to anything anyone said to you about it until you were ready to let it go? Now you tell people to get over it because you are trying to offer them a shortcut. It seems to me that, while your advice may be good advice, that it's important to let people come to the same place you did, on their own, without being made to feel like there's something wrong with them for being angry and hurt over how they've been treated. I don't see how that is too much to ask, and I can just about promise you that's all anyone really wants; time to work through their anger, even if that means having to put up with their complaints.
Hey Rico ...
I read the thread where the "preacher hater" phrase started to pop up. I thought it was very poor taste. I don't think that there are any "preacher haters" that I've come across on this forum.
I do think there are people posting here that are trying to warn people of the abusive systems that exist rather than "whine" about their past problems.
As far as I'm concerned anyone who can deny fellowship with a fellow servant of God based on some of the most flimsy excuses is an abuser and if not being censured but rather encouraged to do so is being backed by an abusive system. The person may not think of himself as an abuser or even realize that what is happening is abuse.
For example, there are orgnaizations that reject men who have facial hair and people in the organization, for whatever reason, abide by these rules and reject brothers for this.
The truth is the person is more important that the made up rules.
In scripture the Pharisees balked at Jesus healing on the Sabbath. Their interpretation of the law made the law more important than the person. The law was made for the people not the people for the law. Paul mentions the fact that the law said not to muzzle the ox when it treads the corn. Then Paul asks "Does God care for the ox?". Paul was using a part of the law to help people by saying that a workman should be able to benefit from the work he's doing. He wasn't using the law to benefit himself or to control others. People talk alot about using the "principles" found in scripture and making guidelines to follow those principles. Setting up a guideline that can be followed as a saint see fit is different from making rules and condeming and rejecting those that don't follow. The former is what the Apostles did not the latter. They differentiated between their guidelines and God's commands. I don't see that here. You can call them guidelines all you want but when people are rejected, disfellowshipped and not allowed to minister because they don't follow them they are rules.
I am concerned for the souls of those who reject others based on these rules since I think when they stand before God they will be asked why they rejected Him. Whatsoever you do to the least brother you do to Him.
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I do want to point out again, though; that even the "expert" wrongly predicted the timeframe in which my daughter would be fully recovered. No, I doubt it would take a person 20 years to heal - however, sometimes, it seems that certain wounds, though healed, still negatively affect a person years later. Not in every case; not even in most cases - but there are times.
Now let's cut to the chase have you read this thread???? Some folks here are absolute prisoners of their real or percieved hurts which has kept them bound for years. Surely you do not think this is healthy spiritually or mentally? Depression when nutured very long will grow and not deminish until folks start turning to drugs that give temporary help but long term effects and sometimes slavery. There has to be a time that a person does have to let it go. That is NOT cold that is a fact.
I think if more people would listen to what Brother Epley is saying here, instead of developeing arguments to hang on to what every they are feeling, they just might get past some serious troble in their lives.
I really feel for everyone (like me and Brother Epley) who have suffered at the hands of either Ministry or Saints. I also want everyone to find healing and a close walk with God..... and what Brother Epley is saying is the very best way to achieve those 2 things.
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