Gay Marriage: For or Against?

[Aquila]

People used to think cerebral palsy was demon possession. We have to be cautious here. We're dealing with human beings who have hurts and fears. We're dealing with souls. I feel more comfortable erring on the side of mercy and grace. There's so much that we don't understand. Preach Jesus.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Sam

I don't think any of us really know why people are homosexual.


Some churches teach that being homosexual is not a sin but living the homosexual lifestyle is.

If we use psychoanalysis what do we find they have in common?

[pastorrick1959]

they have the right to ,go to hell if thats what they choose ...since they want choice.
it is a spirit of the enemy ..

god created adam and eve not adam and steve ..male and female created he them ..
ordered them also to replinish the earth .. GAYS CANT DO THAT..

i've asked gays, what if ur mom or dad had been gay you wouldnt have been here.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

They can be both delivered and can also find conversion therapy. Many just leave the homosexual past.
It isn't born that way.

Coadie, I personally believe that spiritual, emotional, and even perhaps a physical healing is necessary in these situations. Only Jesus can set them free. No therapy or self derived force of "will power" will change them. Until they receive this miracle, we need to be patient and full of mercy and grace.

Let me ask several questions. Your statement implies several things. The questions will help me understand your position better...

• If you really believe it's just a choice, are you admitting that you could just "choose" to enter an alternative lifestyle?
  
• Could any form of therapy change your preference and what attracts you?
  
• Were you straight since you entered maturity? Or did you choose to be straight? Was it really a "choice" for you?

Remember they have the same environment.

Can you elaborate?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

If we use psychoanalysis what do we find they have in common?

Many psychologists argue that religion is a psychosis. LOL

Coadie... it's just psychology. lol Various schools of psychology have theories. At the end of the day none of them know anything for certain. If they did... they'd have fixed the world by now. The answer for all fallen human conditions is Jesus.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

People used to think cerebral palsy was demon possession. We have to be cautious here. We're dealing with human beings who have hurts and fears. We're dealing with souls. I feel more comfortable erring on the side of mercy and grace. There's so much that we don't understand. Preach Jesus.

If I tell someone they are mentally ill, It really messes with their head.

Glad you mention souls. Freud started a lot of this mess by using an approach like C Darwin. He wanted to create a totally non biblical explanation of human mind and behavior and avoid biblical ideas and terms.
Many anxiety disorders are actually guilt. Medicating doesn't deliver people from sin, guilt and self condemnation.

Soul, body and mind are different elements to a healthy person. Many providors want to deal with only one. They are all factors in behavior. Homosexuallity is extensively an acquired behavior set and can't come from genetics. The overt sex drives are shaped and reinforced by several factors.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

they have the right to ,go to hell if thats what they choose ...since they want choice.
it is a spirit of the enemy ..

god created adam and eve not adam and steve ..male and female created he them ..
ordered them also to replinish the earth .. GAYS CANT DO THAT..

i've asked gays, what if ur mom or dad had been gay you wouldnt have been here.

This condition is like all other sinful conditions... it's a result of the fall. Their sin is no worse than your own. In God's eyes... you and I are just as filthy if it were not for the blood.

The fall effected us spiritually, emotionally, and biologically. I advocate that we walk softly here. These are souls, precious souls, that many of us love... and that Jesus died for.

There is so much more to a person than their sexual preferences (sinful or not). For example, I love you Coadie, regardless of your private and personal interests. We all have them... we're all human. Sometimes I waver... do I like blondes or brunettes? I hope you understand what I'm saying here.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

If I tell someone they are mentally ill, It really messes with their head.

Glad you mention souls. Freud started a lot of this mess by using an approach like C Darwin. He wanted to create a totally non biblical explanation of human mind and behavior and avoid biblical ideas and terms.
Many anxiety disorders are actually guilt. Medicating doesn't deliver people from sin, guilt and self condemnation.

Soul, body and mind are different elements to a healthy person. Many providors want to deal with only one. They are all factors in behavior. Homosexuallity is extensively an acquired behavior set and can't come from genetics. The overt sex drives are shaped and reinforced by several factors.

Coadie.... what if you're proven wrong? I mean, what if tomorrow research proves beyond a doubt that there is a biological component in at least some cases?

Why is it that many of us can spot people with this leaning quite often just as they are entering their teens, sometimes before they even know what's going on with themselves? Sometimes it's in the eyes. Sometimes it's in the way they stand or talk. There's just something "different" about them in their early years. And Coadie... some of them are preacher's kids from very loving homes with wonderful gender roles established.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Many psychologists argue that religion is a psychosis. Coadie... it's just psychology. lol Various schools of psychology have theories. At the end of the day none of them know anything for certain. If they did... they'd have fixed the world by now.

There is a lot of psychology in the book of Genesis.

Phrenology? Biles

Sanguine, phlegmatic, choleric. Melancholia are different labels for people with variation in "Biles"
The field of psychology is loaded with a lot of theories, notions, superstions and changes. like Evolutionism.

Gay marriage? There are many psych factors in gays that lend themselves to difficulty in a sustained relationship.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

There is a lot of psychology in the book of Genesis.

Phrenology? Biles

Sanguine, phlegmatic, choleric. Melancholia are different labels for people with variation in "Biles"
The field of psychology is loaded with a lot of theories, notions, superstions and changes. like Evolutionism.

Gay marriage? There are many psych factors in gays that lend themselves to difficulty in a sustained relationship.

Blah, blah, blah. "Psycho-babble"

We don't need a "psycho-Bible". We need to preach Jesus and be merciful and compassionate to a lost and dying world. The only "real love" many of these individuals might ever receive might come from us... those who know Jesus. Hating them and politicking against them isn't an answer to the problem.

Now get off the net and go love a sinner Coadie.