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Old 02-14-2007, 05:22 PM
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There you go thinking like the world. It doesn't matter what others expect, it only matters what God does. One may not have the kind of "personality" others might expect a person with a particular calling to have but it is God that has called this person to that particular work or gift (something you seemed to be trying to say but that got lost in your worldly thinking that personality and calling/anointing work together). Also, education or lack thereof has nothing to do with personality - one can have a "porcupine" or "sandpaper" (or some other) personality regardless of whether he has multiple college degrees or whether he never got past the first grade (as one who has one of those personalities in the quotes, I post from experience).

I think God uses the educated despite their education and that talent (innate ability) itself comes from God.

While part of me agrees with this sentiment, I have to weigh that against what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1:25-31, "For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption. Therefore, as it is written, 'Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.'"

Worse, it's a Pentecostal way of saying "Check your brain at the door." However, what Paul said is true: "not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth." Of course, it does say "not many;" it doesn't say "none."
CHANCELLOR, I don't blame God for your personaility but I do hold you accountable for hounding and trying to destroy every post I make.
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Old 02-14-2007, 09:38 PM
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CHANCELLOR, I don't blame God for your personaility but I do hold you accountable for hounding and trying to destroy every post I make.
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To me the personality type thing is just for fun... And sometimes it can help you understand some things about people, but it's not anywhere near gospel...
I 've looked at the personality thing for fun too, but I really don't like it for anything else. I've seen people totally live by this "sanguine, meloncolly, plegmatic, choleric (i know my spelling is off on those)....I don't think it is fair to label people with these because people change but from what i've seen, those who really get into this never let people change. "oh that is just the phlegmatic personality coming out" they say. Or, "no, you won't make a good leader, pastor or whatever because you are too much this and not enough of that." That stuff really gets in my crawl.......also, it could become a little on the "astrology" side of things..... jmo.....
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:46 PM
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I 've looked at the personality thing for fun too, but I really don't like it for anything else. I've seen people totally live by this "sanguine, meloncolly, plegmatic, choleric (i know my spelling is off on those)....I don't think it is fair to label people with these because people change but from what i've seen, those who really get into this never let people change. "oh that is just the phlegmatic personality coming out" they say. Or, "no, you won't make a good leader, pastor or whatever because you are too much this and not enough of that." That stuff really gets in my crawl.......also, it could become a little on the "astrology" side of things..... jmo.....
I know one thing. Understanding your customer and their specific personality traits is a must.

See when you earn your living by selling to people.

You will learn how to deal with folks on the spot.

Or you will not earn a living.

I think being in sales for 10 plus years is setting me up to be very successful in a ministry.

You will get to know traits in a person upon meeting them.

Otherwise if you don't learn their traits you do not know how to adjust yours to work with them.

Have you ever known someone to just be able to make everyone feel comfortable?

If they are in the ministry they become very effective.

The ministers who do not have enough of this or enough of that...In my book they just are not good studies of human character.

I think that hurts their effectiveness....

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Old 02-14-2007, 11:51 PM
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CHANCELLOR, I don't blame God for your personaility but I do hold you accountable for hounding and trying to destroy every post I make.
I already mentioned this in another thread but I'll ask again. I thought Chan and Chancellor were two different people.
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Old 02-15-2007, 12:03 AM
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I know one thing. Understanding your customer and their specific personality traits is a must.

See when you earn your living by selling to people.

You will learn how to deal with folks on the spot.

Or you will not earn a living.

I think being in sales for 10 plus years is setting me up to be very successful in a ministry.

You will get to know traits in a person upon meeting them.

Otherwise if you don't learn their traits you do not know how to adjust yours to work with them.

Have you ever known someone to just be able to make everyone feel comfortable?

If they are in the ministry they become very effective.

The ministers who do not have enough of this or enough of that...In my book they just are not good studies of human character.

I think that hurts their effectiveness....

Nathan Eckstadt
Ican understand what you saying...but I am talking about people who label others and pinning that label on them for life. Yes, you do get to know peoples traits and their temperments...But let me give you an example of what I am talking about....We moved to a new area and went to a church because my husband knew the pastor there and my hubby needed a friend. We went thru the death of our first born child and we needed some healing. Because we were in a state of depression, my hubby was very down on lots of things...God helped us and healing took place.....But, he was labeled by this preacher as being a negative person......With nothing positive to say.....Now, yeeeears later, time has healed and life has gone on. My husband is the funniest , most encouraging man I know....and very much a "people person". But in the eyes of this pastor, he still sees my husband as the man that came to his church yeeears ago. You can't pin a label on someone forever.....that's what i'm referring too.
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Old 02-15-2007, 03:46 AM
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I already mentioned this in another thread but I'll ask again. I thought Chan and Chancellor were two different people.
Always...one's personality comes bleeding through...obviously one and the same.
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Old 02-15-2007, 03:55 AM
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I 've looked at the personality thing for fun too, but I really don't like it for anything else. I've seen people totally live by this "sanguine, meloncolly, plegmatic, choleric (i know my spelling is off on those)....I don't think it is fair to label people with these because people change but from what i've seen, those who really get into this never let people change. "oh that is just the phlegmatic personality coming out" they say. Or, "no, you won't make a good leader, pastor or whatever because you are too much this and not enough of that." That stuff really gets in my crawl.......also, it could become a little on the "astrology" side of things..... jmo.....
I agree LadyChocolate! The personality traits you mentioned are from a layperson's book...was it Tim Lahaye or something? This is not how personality issues are address professionally in counseling circles. Besides, we are all on a continuum of sorts and flow in and out of different aspects of all the personality types.

I can't speak for others except the truly dysfunctional of course , but my personality has changed so much through the years. I am more melancholy now than I have ever been. But it is not really who I am, but more a reaction to the changes I have undergone in the past decade.

Yes, I think too much stock is put in the personailty types bit. Just another way to excuse someone's behavior when they get their undergarments all in a bunch

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Old 02-15-2007, 11:11 AM
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I agree LadyChocolate! The personality traits you mentioned are from a layperson's book...was it Tim Lahaye or something? This is not how personality issues are address professionally in counseling circles. Besides, we are all on a continuum of sorts and flow in and out of different aspects of all the personality types.

I can't speak for others except the truly dysfunctional of course , but my personality has changed so much through the years. I am more melancholy now than I have ever been. But it is not really who I am, but more a reaction to the changes I have undergone in the past decade.

Yes, I think too much stock is put in the personailty types bit. Just another way to excuse someone's behavior when they get their undergarments all in a bunch

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Translation: don't listen to what a man of God says, listen to what that worldly philosophy of psychology says - practitioners of that philosophy are the only people "qualified" to speak on such issues.
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Old 02-15-2007, 11:18 AM
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I think whoever came up with this personality trait thing was a big fat show off. I mean I cant spell a single one of them! Im not even sure I can pronounce them either.

what in the world is a choloric????? good grief (yea i realize i didnt spell it right)! give me a break, how about coming up with something normal people can relate to like "he smells funny" I understand that.
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