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08-07-2008, 08:29 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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But I can understand why you want to protect your friend, and maturity makes you look back and say I should have handled that differently. If the same thing happened to you again, I know you would handle it different, with one of these   |
Ha! Absolutely!!! 
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08-07-2008, 08:40 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Perhaps, Prax, it has to do with credibility and crying wolf? When one person says it, it is brushed off, and when another does, it is taken seriously. Think about it: Why would that be?
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Miss Brattperson,
In my case it is not that I doubt the veracity of some of the persons bringing the accusations here it is that most of these stories are second or third hand and I know how rumors in Pentecost work.
Most of the people repeating them are honest and good hearted but at each step of the journey one or two words can get changed just a little and before you know it the rumor bears little resemblence to the truth.
Case in point is one poster on here who posted about a pastor saying that what married couples did in the privacy of their home was their own business.
This poster inferred that this pastor was possibly condoning wife swapping or something like that which is hooey because it was obvius the pastor was talking about what goes on between a husband and wife.
By the time that story gets retold a few more times the pastor will have been in bed with couples!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-07-2008, 08:41 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
This is a difficult subject to discuss, but at the same time I believe it does need to be addressed.
If we think things like this doesn't happen in churches, we are only fooling ourselves. Making others aware could help someone in the situation have the boldness that they need to speak up and expose it.
There have been no names or churches mentioned in this thread just situations mentioned.
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08-07-2008, 08:57 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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This is a difficult subject to discuss, but at the same time I believe it does need to be addressed.
If we think things like this doesn't happen in churches, we are only fooling ourselves. Making others aware could help someone in the situation have the boldness that they need to speak up and expose it.
There have been no names or churches mentioned in this thread just situations mentioned.
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I agree Renda.
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08-07-2008, 08:59 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Miss Brattperson,
In my case it is not that I doubt the veracity of some of the persons bringing the accusations here it is that most of these stories are second or third hand and I know how rumors in Pentecost work.
Most of the people repeating them are honest and good hearted but at each step of the journey one or two words can get changed just a little and before you know it the rumor bears little resemblence to the truth.
Case in point is one poster on here who posted about a pastor saying that what married couples did in the privacy of their home was their own business.
This poster inferred that this pastor was possibly condoning wife swapping or something like that which is hooey because it was obvius the pastor was talking about what goes on between a husband and wife.
By the time that story gets retold a few more times the pastor will have been in bed with couples!
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I understand that some rumors have been started unfounded, however, that doesn't make every story a "rumor", therefore, rendering unbelievable.
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08-07-2008, 09:16 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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I understand that some rumors have been started unfounded, however, that doesn't make every story a "rumor", therefore, rendering unbelievable.
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I understand and agree. I just think it is a real can of worms to start sharing stories and rumors of this nature.
Believe me I know my share and have a high level of confidence in some and absolutley know others are true!
I am the guy that many years ago in about a three year period saw my sectional presybter, sectional SS director, and sectoinal Youth leader, all pastors, commit adultery. I know it goes on.
We need to acknowledge that this type sin is real but is also limited to a very small number of churches or pastors who are sinning and failing God.
If there is a UPC pastor openly condoning wife swapping I have to believe he is the one or two in a century that would do that!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-07-2008, 09:20 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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If there is a UPC pastor openly condoning wife swapping I have to believe he is the one or two in a century that would do that!
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It must not be very "open" or he would have been called up to see the board by now!!!! 
I think, based on my own experience, that there can be quite a bit that goes on under some pastors' noses, and they either really don't have a clue, or they don't want to know or deal with it for various reasons.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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08-07-2008, 09:23 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by CC1
I understand and agree. I just think it is a real can of worms to start sharing stories and rumors of this nature.
Believe me I know my share and have a high level of confidence in some and absolutley know others are true!
I am the guy that many years ago in about a three year period saw my sectional presybter, sectional SS director, and sectoinal Youth leader, all pastors, commit adultery. I know it goes on.
We need to acknowledge that this type sin is real but is also limited to a very small number of churches or pastors who are sinning and failing God.
If there is a UPC pastor openly condoning wife swapping I have to believe he is the one or two in a century that would do that!
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I agree it surely would be a rarity.  Or at least I sure hope so.
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08-07-2008, 09:25 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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It must not be very "open" or he would have been called up to see the board by now!!!!
I think, based on my own experience, that there can be quite a bit that goes on under some pastor's noses, and they either really don't have a clue, or they don't want to know or deal with it for various reasons. |
Although this pastor is fairly young, I seriously doubt he would condone this in any way. I don't know any names or the people involved, didn't ask, don't need to know. But I wonder if he is aware of it OR has addressed it and assumed it had stopped.
I know the church I formerly went to the pastor got up and mentioned he didn't want to hear about any more Texas Hold'en parties. I had no clue that was going on either.
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Happy moments, PRAISE GOD.
Difficult moments, SEEK GOD.
Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD.
Painful moments, TRUST GOD.
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08-07-2008, 09:36 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
I don't think this is the norm by any stretch, but I bet it happens in this movement more than one would believe. I have heard stories about family out here where I live, but really you never know for sure, unless you were invited to participate.
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