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Old 04-01-2008, 02:59 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL

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Eat out? Not often, at all.
Internet access? $26 a month, that I'd do without if I wasn't also a full time student.
Cable tv? None.
New car? I have zero car payment. My insurance is also very low, not enough coverage to be honest, but it's cheap until something happens.

Priorities only work when there is actually money to work with.

$800 only goes so far, it does *not* include private education. It doesn't include food or childcare expenses either (two of the three welfare things I actually use). It definitely doesn't include the cost of childcare if I kept my kids home and still had to go to class and work two jobs. And don't talk to me about welfare, socialism. I hate using the government's money with every fiber of my being, but at least it hands out some. That's far more than the churches and Christians around here do.

FWIW, public school costs far more than homeschooling ever did. I can't pay it, so my kids end up taking advantage of welfare and scholarships and teachers pay out of their own pockets for the things I'm supposed to be paying for. I don't like that, at all. It makes me angry that it costs more to take advantage of the free public school system than it ever did to stay home with my kids. It makes me crazy that the government will pay up to $1200 a month for childcare so I can attend school and work, but will not pay me $800 so I can stay home and raise my own children.

And, since I'm getting out some angst, might as well go for it all in one place. Do you have any idea how empty the promise that you'll pray for me really is? There are a few years of struggle packed into this thought here, I'll try to be easy on you, but really. EMPTY. Worthless. Beyond frustrating. "Don't use welfare, but we won't help you either. But we will pray for you!". Um, don't bother. Please. Wouldn't want you to overextend yourself.

I apologize if you're one of the very rare people who actually do go out of your way to help people, that's not what I'm reading into your posts though.

BTW, we agree on the government control of the education system. I don't believe education is a government responsibility. I'd love to see that responsibility returned to the parents. I also don't think that tax money should be used to support things that the tax payers are opposed to. But really, that's not even the root of the problem.

Sis, you do NOT have to give your budget approval for this ....let me be quiet.....

And yes, I know of a few who actually HAVE been delivered from homosexuality and lesbianism....
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:06 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL

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Sis, you do NOT have to give your budget approval for this ....let me be quiet.....

And yes, I know of a few who actually HAVE been delivered from homosexuality and lesbianism....
Sis, this isn't my actual budget. At least not anymore. A nice round number like $800 would be truly too easy to work with. lol I've been below that though, and managed somehow. I'm quite glad to be on the other side of that finally.

The point I'm aiming to make is that not everyone who says they can't afford private school has any wiggle room. For some, the level of poverty is truly beyond what most can comprehend. Having been there, seen it, and knowing what resources *don't* exist, I will be saying something about it when I have the opportunity.

There's poverty because you choose to live above your means, and there's poverty where you're truly living within your means, and that's barely living. There's a difference there.
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:07 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL

I've been in a discussion with some rather conservative brethren about welfare and social services that help single mothers. Most claim that such programs are socialistic and should be cut. They also argue that we shouldn't support candidates that would offer more robust funding for these programs.

However, the Bible would allow the poor, fatherless (single parent house holds), widows, and strangers to glean the fields of farmers for their support while struggling. Do any of you see a parallel with social welfare and Old Testament laws regarding gleaning and the poor tithe?
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I've been in a discussion with some rather conservative brethren about welfare and social services that help single mothers. Most claim that such programs are socialistic and should be cut. They also argue that we shouldn't support candidates that would offer more robust funding for these programs.

However, the Bible would allow the poor, fatherless (single parent house holds), widows, and strangers to glean the fields of farmers for their support while struggling. Do any of you see a parallel with social welfare and Old Testament laws regarding gleaning and the poor tithe?
Antipas, this is a streach to say the very least.
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:11 PM
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I've been in a discussion with some rather conservative brethren about welfare and social services that help single mothers. Most claim that such programs are socialistic and should be cut. They also argue that we shouldn't support candidates that would offer more robust funding for these programs.

However, the Bible would allow the poor, fatherless (single parent house holds), widows, and strangers to glean the fields of farmers for their support while struggling. Do any of you see a parallel with social welfare and Old Testament laws regarding gleaning and the poor tithe?
Can you imagine the howling shrieks that would arise if the poor among us WERE actually required to "pick their own food" (even though it was free) and not have it handed to them?
Imagine.... Just imagine, if people on ANY government assistance were simply required to sign a THANK YOU card, which would then be delivered to a random person who actually paid more taxes then benefits received.
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL

How did we go from Lesbians to Welfare??
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL

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How did we go from Lesbians to Welfare??
We went via evil public schools teaching homosexuality and poor welfare single parents compromising and sending their kids to public school so they can eat out and buy new cars.

Did I miss anything in there?
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:17 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL

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Can you imagine the howling shrieks that would arise if the poor among us WERE actually required to "pick their own food" (even though it was free) and not have it handed to them?
Imagine.... Just imagine, if people on ANY government assistance were simply required to sign a THANK YOU card, which would then be delivered to a random person who actually paid more taxes then benefits received.
Ah, but gleaning wasn't all that difficult. They didn't plant the field, tend the field, nor are they harvesting the field. They were allowed to freely walk around the corners and the edges of the field and pick what they needed to sustain themselves. For example Jesus and the disciples gleaned ears of corn from a corn crop that didn't belong to them.

Also please note that the land owner was prohibited from taking any dropped harvest for it was to be left for the gleaners. All they had to do was follow the harvesters and pick up what they needed at will.

Then the third year's poor tithe was gathered into the storehouse and distributed to needy groups throughout the land.

Like it or not...this is an ancient example of a social welfare system to protect various needy groups in ancient Israelite society. Today, modern nations have welfare and public assistance. Same principle.
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:20 PM
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Re: Lesbian Teens Allowed At Prom -Scottsboro, AL

I feel these women are well within their rights to receive support while in their time of need. And when the alternative is considered, perhaps their sending their children to public schools is necessary and perfectly acceptable.
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How did we go from Lesbians to Welfare??
Don't ask me, I think it has something to do with men not being able to comprehend what it is like to be a single mother without a college education trying to support herself on what an uneducated women is able to make in the current job market. You know, us leeches on the system.

And before somebody says to get an education, explain how a woman with a child is supposed to do that without excepting some assistance.
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