Why shouldn't I vote for Obama?? - Page 16

Praxeas · #**151** 02-11-2008, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by George

I'd have more (not much) respect for you if you just said I am voting for Obama. You keep screaming Mark and I are speaking falsehoods but you haven't taken the time to read Obama's books and learn about him and his church. All you talk is snopes and uban legends. Why don't you visit his church website and see they pledge allegiance to Africa? Why don't you read his own books and find out his most critical years of development were in a Muslim school? b THAT IS NOT RUMOR OR FALSEHOOD OR STUPID EMAILS. HE WROTE IT IN HIS OWN BOOK! You apparently have no idea how third world countries operate. Your ties to Canada are so close to America you can't comprehend what these other foreign countries are like. You ought to respect and listen to Sis. Alvear. The woman knows what she is talking about.

He did not spend 0-7 in Muslim schools nor in particular the kind YOU have in mind like in Pakistan. They were Public schools not Madrassas. They only thing that made them "muslim" was that they were public schools in muslim countries. His mother was an Atheist....during that time he ALSO went to a Catholic school....so what do we have now? A Catholic Muslim that has rejected the existence of God?????

ChristopherHall · #**152** 02-11-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark

Obama will pledge to Africa but wont even pledge allegiance to America.

I guess Chris is okay with this ???

I provided a video where Obama leads the entire Senate in the Pledge of Allegiance to America. And by the way...the Pledge was written by an American Christian Socialist, Francis Bellamy.

Here's the video again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC9veEouqqQ

Praxeas · #**153** 02-11-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I'd agree with most of what you said. But I would caution against saying they praise Louis Farrakhan. For example, we might praise George Washington, but we don't advocate slavery. We might even honor General Lee's contributions to Southern Culture but we don't advocate Slavery. I'm sure they honor Farrakhan as a black social leader who was able to solidify a black social movement for changes they felt would benefit them as black people. That doesn't mean they believe everything about Farrakhan is A-OK.

True...look at George Bush. If Obama were some secret Muslim plant, it would be Bush's ineptitude that caused the American people to vote for a Democrat over a Republican. LOL

They did praise LF. The church Magazine had him on the front cover as a great man and gave him an award.

Obama though has tried to distance himself from LF

StMark · #**154** 02-11-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

You didn't have to bro. I forgive you. I just don't know why you'd say that about me or anyone else who understands that these internet rumors are just propaganda and urban legend. That really hurt bro.

I'd have more (not much more) respect for a man who just said he didn't like Obama because he was black or a man who said Obama was just too liberal than a man who would propagate and argue that proven falsehoods were facts.

It's not fair of you to bring race into this. to imply that I don't like him because he is Balck is a cheap shot and you talk about ME not having Proof??? Do you really think Obama is going to admit to America what he REALLY is and expect to get the presidency??? I don't think you understnad how slick politicians really are but carry on.

Praxeas · #**155** 02-11-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I provided a video where Obama leads the entire Senate in the Pledge of Allegiance to America. And by the way...the Pledge was written by an American Christian Socialist, Francis Bellamy.

They didn't see you post it...they see "blah blah blah blah Obama, blah blah blah blah"

In other words they just read and see what they want and ignore facts

Praxeas · #**156** 02-11-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark

It's not fair of you to bring race into this. to imply that I don't like him because he is Balck is a cheap shot and you talk about ME not having Proof??? Do you really think Obama is going to admit to America what he REALLY is and expect to get the presidency??? I don't think you understnad how slick politicians really are but carry on.

who were you referring to as pro-Islamic?

StMark · #**157** 02-11-2008, 01:49 AM

[QUOTE=ChristopherHall;386037]I provided a video where Obama leads the entire Senate in the Pledge of Allegiance to America. And by the way...the Pledge was written by an American Christian Socialist, Francis Bellamy.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe that! our pledge of Allegiance is godly

If that's the case i suppose you wont pledge to the flag either???

how in the world did you get in the military with this kind of thinking Chris??? someone's been messing with your head bruh

George · #**158** 02-11-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ok, so Obama is an Atheist Muslim? good grief. He was raised by his white American grandparents

That is your words - not mine.

ChristopherHall · #**159** 02-11-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark

It's not fair of you to bring race into this. to imply that I don't like him because he is Balck is a cheap shot and you talk about ME not having Proof??? Do you really think Obama is going to admit to America what he REALLY is and expect to get the presidency??? I don't think you understnad how slick politicians really are but carry on.

Bro...I didn't say names. LOL No really I just thew that in there. I KNOW you're not a racist bro. God bless yer pea pickin' heart. lol

ChristopherHall · #**160** 02-11-2008, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I provided a video where Obama leads the entire Senate in the Pledge of Allegiance to America. And by the way...the Pledge was written by an American Christian Socialist, Francis Bellamy.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe that! our pledge of Allegiance is godly

If that's the case i suppose you wont pledge to the flag either???

how in the world did you get in the military with this kind of thinking Chris??? someone's been messing with your head bruh

Research it dude...

The Pledge of Allegiance
A Short History
by Dr. John W. Baer

Copyright 1992 by Dr. John W. Baer

Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm