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ReformedDave · #**151** 02-02-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

I understand and agree with most of your position Bro.

Bro. Hall is very , "set in his intelect" shall we say. Thats what I like about the Bible. Science and politics change daily but Gods Word and Ways are forever, amen.

The word of God is fixed and unchangeable. It is the only truly objective standard we have. I have no problem having someone disagree as to the application of a passage but to take an offense at God.....and then blame me for it. Sad.

ChristopherHall · #**152** 02-02-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I said I was advocating capitol punishment by the state. This misrepresentation is tiring.

In Afghanistan they executed a prostitute by beheading her in a soccar field. You want to turn America into that kind of nation? I won't stand for it. These people are sinners and we pronounce spiritual death upon them but cutting them off from fellowship with the church.

ChristopherHall · #**153** 02-02-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

The word of God is fixed and unchangeable. It is the only truly objective standard we have. I have no problem having someone disagree as to the application of a passage but to take an offense at God.....and then blame me for it. Sad.

I take offense at your interpretation of it. In this dispensation our calling is to preach the gospel to a lost world. God is having mercy....long suffering mercy on sinners deserving of death....so that they might have their lives as an opportunity to turn to him and be saved. If they choose sin after hearing the gospel they are choosing an eternal Hell. But it is far from God's intent that we march around with Bibles tucked under our arms advocating that the government execute sinners.

ReformedDave · #**154** 02-02-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

In Afghanistan they executed a prostitute by beheading her in a soccar field. You want to turn America into that kind of nation? I won't stand for it. These people are sinners and we pronounce spiritual death upon them but cutting them off from fellowship with the church.

What do you do with all the capitol punishment in the OT? What about when God commanded the army to wipe out all the women and children too?

These people were sinners cut off from God.

ReformedDave · #**155** 02-02-2008, 05:38 PM

A very good but a little long article on the subject. It was written by the foremost apologist for Christianity at the turn of last century.

It is worth the read.

http://www.cambridgestudycenter.com/...es/Machen2.htm

ChristopherHall · #**156** 02-02-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

What do you do with all the capitol punishment in the OT? What about when God commanded the army to wipe out all the women and children too?

These people were sinners cut off from God.

In the OT God was dealing with a national covenant. Any threat to the nation was to be dealt with severely. God HIMSELF can command the elimination of a nation. God's Laws were also structured to secure the spiritual purity of the nation from which he was to birth the Messiah.

The Messiah fulfilled the moral requirements of the Law and died in the sinner's place. Jesus died on the cross to even take the place of the homosexual sinner.

Now God's New Covenant is a covenant based on the individual...not the nation. God no longer orders a single nation to eliminate another via a prophet. God is choosing mercy and being long suffering through this dispensation so that all men have opportunity to hear the gospel, obey, and be saved.

ChristopherHall · #**157** 02-02-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

A very good but a little long article on the subject. It was written by the foremost apologist for Christianity at the turn of last century.

It is worth the read.

http://www.cambridgestudycenter.com/...es/Machen2.htm

The man is a reformed Trinitarian Presbyterian theologian that has embraced Dominionist theology. He knows nothing about the Truth.

ReformedDave · #**158** 02-02-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

In the OT God was dealing with a national covenant. Any threat to the nation was to be dealt with severely. God HIMSELF can command the elimination of a nation. God's Laws were also structured to secure the spiritual purity of the nation from which he was to birth the Messiah.

The Messiah fulfilled the moral requirements of the Law and died in the sinner's place. Jesus died on the cross to even take the place of the homosexual sinner.

Now God's New Covenant is a covenant based on the individual...not the nation. God no longer orders a single nation to eliminate another via a prophet. God is choosing mercy and being long suffering through this dispensation so that all men have opportunity to hear the gospel, obey, and be saved.

Same God today. He still deals with nations and individuals. He appoints ministers of the state to execute judgment. You don't think that the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 was God's judgment?

ReformedDave · #**159** 02-02-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

The man is a reformed Trinitarian Presbyterian theologian that has embraced Dominionist theology. He knows nothing about the Truth.

The 'Dominionist" movement wasn't even around then.

The same reason that he's 'ignorant' applies to me equally. I hope some day to be half a ignorant.

ChristopherHall · #**160** 02-02-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Same God today. He still deals with nations and individuals. He appoints ministers of the state to execute judgment. You don't think that the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 was God's judgment?

Look Dave...I don't trust dominionism and I'm not interested in what you're selling.