I think you're missing the whole point here. I'll put out what I believe about this whole thing. I have been an Executive Director of a Federal PAC for a few years which will support ANYONE, D, R, or I who lives, not just espouses conservative Judeo-Christian principles.
Any Apostolic who votes ONLY along party lines when it comes to candidates does NOT please God! (IMO) What is more important than the party the candidate is registered to is the beliefs the candidate holds. Our PAC was instrumental in getting the first black mayor elected to Youngstown, OH recently. He was basically a D running as an I. I personally sat down with him and had a good talk about where he stood. We also recently endorsed a Democrat, who was running for mayor of another city in Ohio. This man was truly a conservative Christian who knew that he had to run as a D.
I can in good conscience vote for a Democrat who is a "DINO" but I cannot ever vote for a liberal who is trying to bring socialism to the US. It sounds to me like you espouse many of the principles of socialism and would be happy to see them implemented in American politics and society.
Truthfully, I am ticked with the R's for using & abusing me as one of their supporters, but I am vehemently opposed to the Democratic platform and what they predominantly stand for. There are far more left wing wackos in the D party than there are in the R party. I don't know how long that will last until the R's become just as bad.
I would add that in local politics it really doesnt matter what party one is associated with so long as (as you say) they espouse conservitive christian ideas.
Now on a national level, I think it is a different deal all together.
Lets say you elect a Pro-Life democrat to the Senate. then that guy becomes the 51st Democrat Senator. That gives the Dems control of the senate and while this one Dem Senator may be Pro-life, you have an Pro-Abortion adjenda getting pushed.
That is not to say that one should vote for liberal Republicans. But when national politics awe concerned, you have to weigh in the fact that both the House and Senate get controled by the national party, not just the guy you are electing.
And socialism is EVIL.
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Lets save us some time, I'll use your words, but I will direct them at you.
I see the point that you disagree on above.
Even in that point, I do not believe that preaching turned the Roman world upside down. If preaching could have done it, our world today would have been turned upside down a dozen times or more...but there is hardly a dent and the world has no idea who we are in spite of all the endless preeeeeeaching, ad infinitum...
Just presenting another philosophy among so many others do not impress the world at all. Just another (apostolic so called) creed sitting up on a stump for the casual observer to examine does not move anything or anyone.
Paul did not go before the world with another pilosophy or theology one among many, but he went forth with the demonstration of the power of God and of the gospel. The world wants to see the demonstration and not just another big-mouth hawking another theory.
I am almost tempted to say that I would vote for the devil if he would promise to appoint conservative/constructionist judges to the Supreme Bench who would help to overturn the RIGHT TO KILL humanity by the millions who are yet unborn.
That's the problem with blending religion and politics. You would vote for the devil himself if he supported your narrow political agenda. And the same goes for the Democratic Christians. You’re both in grave spiritual danger. Repent and come out form among both parties and find your place where you belong, preaching the Kingdom. That’s right, the Kingdom. We should be warning the Republicans and the Democrats that there power is short-lived and that they will perish when our King arrives unless they are born again.
All of you are worldly if you truly believe that politics is the answer. It’s a distraction straight from Hell. No abortion law has ever ended or reduced abortion. No anti-gay law has eliminated homosexuality. Each of you would have a nation that politically reflects what you believe to be Christian values on the outside…but your approach will leave America’s soul just as lost the day after you pass your laws as the day before.
God doesn’t care what laws are on the books. God cares about the human heart. God isn’t going to save America or any earthly nation, all systems will be dissolved and crumble under his righteous judgment. And if you’re faith is tied up in this world’s politics…you will be judged with this world’s politicians.
The system is corrupt and worldly. Always has been and always will be. If you think you can “reform” and “bless” the system you’ve deluded yourself or allowed one of the two political parties to delude you.
For the Christian the call to be “Christian” is all or nothing without any compromise or addition. There is no such thing as a “Republican Christian” or a “Democratic Christian”. There is only, “Christian”. If you wish to mix your faith with this world’s debased politics be my guest…but you’re playing with hell fire.
And lastly, abortion and gay marriage are state issues. The Supereme Courts both Liberal and Conservative have always granted more power to the states on the matter. These are not Federal issues.
The battle ground isn't Republican kingdom against the Democratic kingdom...it's Christ's Kingdom against the kingdoms of this world (both Republican and Democrat).
That's the problem with blending religion and politics. You would vote for the devil himself if he supported your narrow political agenda. And the same goes for the Democratic Christians. You’re both in grave spiritual danger. Repent and come out form among both parties and find your place where you belong, preaching the Kingdom. That’s right, the Kingdom. We should be warning the Republicans and the Democrats that there power is short-lived and that they will perish when our King arrives unless they are born again.
All of you are worldly if you truly believe that politics is the answer. It’s a distraction straight from Hell. No abortion law has ever ended or reduced abortion. No anti-gay law has eliminated homosexuality. Each of you would have a nation that politically reflects what you believe to be Christian values on the outside…but your approach will leave America’s soul just as lost the day after you pass your laws as the day before.
God doesn’t care what laws are on the books. God cares about the human heart. God isn’t going to save America or any earthly nation, all systems will be dissolved and crumble under his righteous judgment. And if you’re faith is tied up in this world’s politics…you will be judged with this world’s politicians.
The system is corrupt and worldly. Always has been and always will be. If you think you can “reform” and “bless” the system you’ve deluded yourself or allowed one of the two political parties to delude you.
For the Christian the call to be “Christian” is all or nothing without any compromise or addition. There is no such thing as a “Republican Christian” or a “Democratic Christian”. There is only, “Christian”. If you wish to mix your faith with this world’s debased politics be my guest…but you’re playing with hell fire.
You missed both the point and the attitude behind it. Go back and read it again. You know good and well that I did not say that I would vote for the devil. You totally missed the point...
In regards to your other point. Would you say, since there are no Republican or Democrat Christians, that there are also no American Christians?
btw...who is mixing politics with religion? Certain not I since religion is a matter of faith...not politics. Nevertheless, principles of faith lead me to defend the right and condemn the wrong regardless where it is found...in any party.
Like I said...I disagree with your every point. But then, that is my opinion alone.
In regards to your other point. Would you say, since there are no Republican or Democrat Christians, that there are also no American Christians?
Yes, I’d say there are no “American Christians”, there are only “Christians”. Patriotism is a false god, an idolatrous beast that sacrifices our children and our faith for the advancement of an earthly nation and its agenda. A Christian should thank God for the blessings of having been born in America…but being born in America doesn’t produce a “special” kind of Christian. If you’ve spent much time outside of the United States you’ll understand what I’m about to say. Many Christians in foreign countries are disturbed by American Christianity’s pride and Nationalism (nation worship). The Christians in these countries know all too well how exploitive America can be and when Christians pretend that she is so great and special it only testifies to American’s spiritual bankruptcy.
I wouldn’t go that far. The distributist nature of the Old Testament economy as embodied in God’s law boarders on socialistic tendencies. Also the early church’s communal lifestyle also expresses a socialistic or communal view of life. I’d say that “Godless” socialism is evil. So is “Godless” capitalism”. There are many devout Christians (including Apostolics) who are proud citizens of European, Asian, or African nations who sincerely believe in a socialist political philosophy. Even the state of Israel is socialist today. Socialism is just another political philosophy. If embraced by the people as a result of free and democratic elections it is lawful. Both capitalism and socialism allow for great evils of they are not guided by God fearing leaders and citizens. Consider the fact that Canada’s national health care system was drafted by a Baptist minister. Am I to question his faith and classify him as “evil” simply because he preferred a socialist solution to a problem plaguing the nation of Canada? What about the many devout Christian men and women who have supported socialist politics in England? Am I to assume they’re “evil” because they believe a socialist solution to their society’s problems is in order? Sure, we may disagree with them…but to rank them or classify them as “evil”? I cannot do that. Personally I see your extremism as far more “evil”, damaging, and divisive to the body of Christ. I embrace my Christian brothers and sisters regardless of political views. But if we are to go the moralist rout of condemning one body politic over the other…I have to say that each deserves equal condemnation. Therefore one could just as easily say that capitalism is “evil”. But I assure you, they will be equally as wrong as you are.
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