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Old 02-13-2011, 07:31 PM
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USURP
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Dictionary entry overview: What does usurp mean?
• USURP (verb)
The verb USURP has 2 senses:
1. seize and take control without authority and possibly with force; take as one's right or possession
2. take the place of
Familiarity information: USURP used as a verb is rare.

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• USURP (verb)

Sense 1 usurp [BACK TO TOP]
Meaning:
Seize and take control without authority and possibly with force; take as one's right or possession
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1. (verb) assume, usurp, seize, take over, arrogate
seize and take control without authority and possibly with force; take as one's right or possession
"He assumed to himself the right to fill all positions in the town"; "he usurped my rights"; "She seized control of the throne after her husband died"

2. (verb) usurp
take the place of
"gloom had usurped mirth at the party after the news of the terrorist act broke"


Definitions of 'usurp' Webster Dictionary

1. (verb) usurp
to seize, and hold in possession, by force, or without right; as, to usurp a throne; to usurp the prerogatives of the crown; to usurp power; to usurp the right of a patron is to oust or dispossess him

2. (verb) usurp
to commit forcible seizure of place, power, functions, or the like, without right; to commit unjust encroachments; to be, or act as, a usurper
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LET´S RETURN TO
he New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 4395 encodedOriginalWord
Original Word Word Origin
προφητεύω from (4396)
Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
prophēteuō prof-ate-yoo'-o
Parts of Speech TDNT
Verb 6:781,952
Definition

to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict
to prophesy
with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God
to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation
to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels
under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others
to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office
Translated Words
KJV (28) - prophesy, 28;
NAS (28) - prophesied, 5; prophesies, 3; prophesy, 16; prophesying, 3; prophetesses, 1;
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That's not what it means by "usurp" authority. Now you are adding to the word of God

The greek word means to exercise dominion, it does not mean "to preach"
I do not add to the Word of God [Definitions of usurp on the Web:

* assume: seize and take control without authority and possibly with force; take as one's right or possession; "He assumed to himself the right to fill all positions in the town"; "he usurped my rights"; "She seized control of the throne after her husband died"
* take the place of; "gloom had usurped mirth at the party after the news of the terrorist act broke"
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* Usurper (lat. usurpare = to seize for use, to use) is a derogatory term used to describe either an illegitimate or controversial claimant to the power; often, but not always in a monarchy, or a person who succeeds in establishing himself as a monarch without inheriting the throne, or any other ...
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* To seize power from another, usually by illegitimate means; To use and assume the coat of arms of another person Paul taught for a woman not to teach or usurp authority over the man[the male]now where am I adding to the Word?You look at the Word and try every way to dispute or distort the meaning.Women can do many wonderful things in the Church. The older Women are to teach the younger ones.They can operate the gifts of the spirit. They can be help meets to their husbands .But when they usurp authority[preach,teach] they are out of their rightful place in Gods plan.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:39 PM
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the thing I like about this thread is it draws out the wierdos.

Hee hee....


LET ME SAY THIS REALLY LOUD! i LOVE SISTER ALVEAR AND SHE CAN PREACH TO ME ANYTIME!

God bless all the lady preachers that have blessed my life. Even the one I never met because she died before I was born... She was my great grandmother and because of her I know God today.

to all the precious ladies out there that have a call on your lives, KEEP PREACHEN! God and I love it!
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Thanks, Ferd....I really do little "preaching"...but there was a time...
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Women preach all the time just ask my wife.
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Actually my wife is an angel up in the air and always harping.
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I do not add to the Word of God [Definitions of usurp on the Web:

* assume: seize and take control without authority and possibly with force; take as one's right or possession; "He assumed to himself the right to fill all positions in the town"; "he usurped my rights"; "She seized control of the throne after her husband died"
* take the place of; "gloom had usurped mirth at the party after the news of the terrorist act broke"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* Usurper (lat. usurpare = to seize for use, to use) is a derogatory term used to describe either an illegitimate or controversial claimant to the power; often, but not always in a monarchy, or a person who succeeds in establishing himself as a monarch without inheriting the throne, or any other ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usurp

* To seize power from another, usually by illegitimate means; To use and assume the coat of arms of another person Paul taught for a woman not to teach or usurp authority over the man[the male]now where am I adding to the Word?You look at the Word and try every way to dispute or distort the meaning.Women can do many wonderful things in the Church. The older Women are to teach the younger ones.They can operate the gifts of the spirit. They can be help meets to their husbands .But when they usurp authority[preach,teach] they are out of their rightful place in Gods plan.
First of all you tried to use "usurp authority" to prove a woman can't preach. That is not what the word means. It does not mean to preach God's word

Second, "Usurp" is a bad translation. The word means to take dominion over

Zodhaites: authentéō contracted authentṓ; fut. authentḗsō, from authéntēs (n.f.), murderer, absolute master, which is from autós (G846), himself, and éntea (n.f.) arms, armor. A self-appointed killer with one's own hand, one acting by his own authority or power. Governing a gen., to use or exercise authority or power over as an autocrat, to domineer (1Ti_2:12). See anḗr (G435, XI, C), husband.

Preaching God's word is not taking dominion or authority OVER anyone.

The bible is the authority. Someone preaching what the bible says is not "taking authority".

So the word there does not mean "to preach".
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Paul, to you preach against braided hair?
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