End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

You seem to know greek does it say a woman or does it say gune (wife)

It is useless to discuss with you ... really a waste of my time ...and your time....we do not agree however I can live with that....

If 1 Tim 2 is the husband and the wife. The woman is to be silent in the home and learn in all subjection. That means it is even more restrictive than the prohibition that you women preachers are rebelling against to begin with. Now according to your interpretation she has to be silent in the home. Yet, by comparison this was the one place, THE HOME, where she was to ask her husband, 1 Cor 14:35. So now you are contradicting the passages by saying 1 Tim 2 is telling her to keep silent in the home, when 1 Cor 14::35 tells her to ask her husband at home. You know good and well the passage is not instructing her not to keep silence in the home, as a matter of fact, she is to be a guide in the home. 1 Tim 5:14

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Yet, you are very well aware of the fact the prohibition was exercising authority over the man in teaching. She can pray, prophesy, praise, but she cannot teach in the church were men are present, period.

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

And if you read further I explained what I meant be anti....and also pro..lt would be better to say all I said not parts...

Justify it all you want any way you want. The mind is never so resourceful as when it is justifying itself.

The fact is you have insulted every preacher who stands against women preachers telling them THEY need to go back to Calvary and watch Him die. To top it off you included every pastor that has a saint on this forum and you still refuse to acknowledge the lack of ethics on YOUR part. Instead of acknowledgment there is only poor attempts at justification. I quoted you entirely and everyone can see that for themselves.

Here is the link AGAIN:
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...09#post1300709


And here is the ENTIRE post again:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

tonight Bro. Alvear and I have been asked to be speakers at a marriage seminar...so the anti's would have a problem with that too.....
I have no problem with helping anyone...be it woman or man....black or white, rich or poor...
If you have a problem with a woman helping a soul you need to go back to Calvary and watch Him die...

Absolutely disgusting...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm sorry for insulting your smileys.

Your apology is accepted in the same way it was offered .

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by RJR

...Yet, you are very well aware of the fact the prohibition was exercising authority over the man in teaching. She can pray, prophesy, praise, but she cannot teach in the church were men are present, period.

Why can she pray, prophesy and praise in church if she is told to be silent, and why not preach, since Paul didn't forbid that? You guys are adding preaching to the mix, but the passage doesn't mention it. And, in your view, can women teach classes such as Sunday School classes?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

If 1 Tim 2 is the husband and the wife. The woman is to be silent in the home and learn in all subjection. That means it is even more restrictive than the prohibition that you women preachers are rebelling against to begin with. Now according to your interpretation she has to be silent in the home. Yet, by comparison this was the one place, THE HOME, where she was to ask her husband, 1 Cor 14:35. So now you are contradicting the passages by saying 1 Tim 2 is telling her to keep silent in the home, when 1 Cor 14::35 tells her to ask her husband at home. You know good and well the passage is not instructing her not to keep silence in the home, as a matter of fact, she is to be a guide in the home. 1 Tim 5:14

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Yet, you are very well aware of the fact the prohibition was exercising authority over the man in teaching. She can pray, prophesy, praise, but she cannot teach in the church were men are present, period.

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Literal, yes or no?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

If 1 Tim 2 is the husband and the wife. The woman is to be silent in the home and learn in all subjection. That means it is even more restrictive than the prohibition that you women preachers are rebelling against to begin with. Now according to your interpretation she has to be silent in the home. Yet, by comparison this was the one place, THE HOME, where she was to ask her husband, 1 Cor 14:35. So now you are contradicting the passages by saying 1 Tim 2 is telling her to keep silent in the home, when 1 Cor 14::35 tells her to ask her husband at home. You know good and well the passage is not instructing her not to keep silence in the home, as a matter of fact, she is to be a guide in the home. 1 Tim 5:14

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Yet, you are very well aware of the fact the prohibition was exercising authority over the man in teaching. She can pray, prophesy, praise, but she cannot teach in the church were men are present, period.

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Do you think men don't have to learn in silence and subjection?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I don't think anyone answered my earlier question...is the command for women to be silent in the church literal or not? If it is literal, then how does that apply to singing, prophecy, tongues/interpretation and teaching in children's classes?

I realize that Sister Alvear is the main "prey" on this thread, but I would love to have my question answered as well.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Perhaps having a dialogue with you would be easier without inuendoes and mocking smiley faces. It's hard to know what you are really saying when all I read is sarcasm, disgust, and you placing yourself on a pedestal because you claim to be a preacher.

How about coming down to my level, just a lowly woman, perhaps not worthy of being in your presence?

Just a simple answer. Who were those men colaboring with Paul but were not preaching?

Luke was a close companion of Paul and it is never recorded that he preached a message. He was certainly a co-laborer with Paul.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Luke was a close companion of Paul and it is never recorded that he preached a message. He was certainly a co-laborer with Paul.

Pliny, this is a poor argument. The fact that scripture doesn't record something doesn't mean it didn't happen. Universal negative....

We don't even have all the things that Jesus did recorded in scripture.

John 21:25 "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Luke was a close companion of Paul and it is never recorded that he preached a message. He was certainly a co-laborer with Paul.

Might not be recorded but silence doesn't offer a good argument either way. However, Paul never mentions mere church goers as co-laborers. He specifies how they differ in the words he chooses to use in describing them. There has to be something said for that, IMO.