So I guess you gave up on the "screaming is for men" line?
Let's see, where to begin? My original inference was that it's certainly not feminine to be hollering & screaming like a maniac. If you can't even discern what's masculine vs. feminine, it's no small wonder you believe in "women preachers." Moving right along....
So in other words it's manly to holler and scream like a maniac? Oh BTW you must not have much of an argument from scriptures if you'd resort to the above lame argument. But let's deal with this again because in the context of PROVING this assertion you quoted scriptures saying a woman must be SILENT. So only men can be loud and women must not utter a peep ever.
BTW I already addressed this verse earlier. They do mean what they instruct to the NT church. The problem is you don't understand the instructoin
How amusing....Ughhh, it means exactly what it says. It is N-O-T instructing husbands & wives in the home environment, as you imply. "These things I write to you SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE YOURSELF IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD, WHICH IS THE CHURCH...." Don't even have to know Greek to understand that one Prax...just need honesty!
This depends on what verse we are speaking of. See the problem with people like you who rely on frantic hand waving is that you ignore the context, the language and the audience
1Co 14:34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
1Co 14:35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
See how context matters? You have to look at everything. Who was Paul speaking to and WHY?
So now that you changed the point again to a different one let me ask this, again, How is a woman to pray or prophesy if she is to be silent. You're quoting scriptures that don't tell us HOW a woman is to preach, which was your original assertion. If you are gonna use these verses as a blanket statement then you must apply them that way.
Straw man alert! YOU are the one asserting that I've "changed the point again,"...nice try, but I addressed this above. In I Tim., the context is dealing w/ women's role in the church...which is NOT one of authority. And what in the world do you mean "IF she is to be silent"? The actual text SAYS "She is to remain quiet." Apparently this doesn't mean what it says eh' Prax???? Too funny....
No actually the point we WERE discussing was your insistence about "Hollering and screaming" being masculine traits lol
So the fallacy of your argument is then that a woman CAN preach as long as she does so without raising her voice?
I simply pointed out the masculine demeanor of this lady....which MANY other pastors have noted. But, hey, you just keep encouraging women in the church to disobey I Tim. 2:11-15!
You made an assertion about "hollering" and "screaming" being masculine, non-feminine traits. Then to support that you quoted scriptures saying women had to be silent
Which still begs the original question of whether or not raising the voice is being like a man, which is essential if she is to prophecy
For about the 500th time now....Prophecy is NOT "preaching" a sermon from the Scriptures! I Cor. is dealing w/ the gifts of the Spirit...not "preaching"! Man....what in the world is wrong you people???
For about the 501th time now, So what? You said she is to remain silent! What is prophecy? It's an anointed utterance given to someone by God. Good grief, what is your problem?
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You know, I don't know rdp and I've never met Sis. Alvear! I've never heard either preach. But I can tell you this one thing there is a world of difference in the "Spirit" of the two.
What did the scripture say, "The letter killeth but the spirit maketh alive!" I love your spirit Sis. Alvear.
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rpd - You have a problem and it is a lot bigger than women preachers! I absolutely detest a spirit of rebellion against the authority of God and his ministers. You have no authority to say anything you are saying on here and have shown how ignorant you are by posting your "500th" times nonsense. We all believe the Bible and because YOU interpret something one way and we interpret it another does not give you any right to say that we "claim to be a preacher of the Bible" and are not Biblical. YOU are not Biblical and I call you out on it. As you asked - WHAT IN THE WORLD IS YOUR PROBLEM? Did a female minister preach something that called you out and exposed your sin? Do you have a problem with respect to women in general? Did you have some problem in a relationship that soured you on women? You sure are disrespectful so something must have happened to you and maybe you need to talk about it and confide in someone about your problem with women.
Why are you so disrespectful and keep trying to usurp authority over the people of God? You have absolutely no right or authority at all to do it. People like you sicken me with your high and un-holy pompous - I am better than you and know more than you, stinking attitude.
You have no right to put any limits on God or who He calls . The FACT remains - GOD USES WOMEN and you have a problem with it - but then again - that is the least of your problems! Why don't you go somewhere else and try your rhetoric on ignorant and unlearned people that are too gullible to understand TRUTH!
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