Do You Believe In Women Preachers? - Page 150

supertone · #**1491** 02-12-2011, 06:02 AM

Do I believe in women preachers? Yes, I've seen them, they do exist!

This thread has been going on far longer than I've been an active member of this forum but my biggest question is how can you have a female pastor that is married to a man who is in the congregation and have her submit unto him? Ephesians chapter 5 and Colossians chapter 3 both state that a wife has to submit unto her husband. Ephesians 5:23 states that the husband is the head of the wife. Does this mean that he can not be under her pastoral care? Does this mean a married woman can't be a church pastor/minister/whatever name you chose to call them? That's how I interpret it but am happy to gain further revelation about it.

I certainly know that God will use women to fulfil his purpose and that is fantastic! However, throughout all of history, men and women have fulfilled different roles within society and within the church. The question is which of these is of God and which of these is of human propogation?

Praxeas · #**1492** 02-12-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by supertone

Do I believe in women preachers? Yes, I've seen them, they do exist!

This thread has been going on far longer than I've been an active member of this forum but my biggest question is how can you have a female pastor that is married to a man who is in the congregation and have her submit unto him? Ephesians chapter 5 and Colossians chapter 3 both state that a wife has to submit unto her husband. Ephesians 5:23 states that the husband is the head of the wife. Does this mean that he can not be under her pastoral care? Does this mean a married woman can't be a church pastor/minister/whatever name you chose to call them? That's how I interpret it but am happy to gain further revelation about it.

I certainly know that God will use women to fulfil his purpose and that is fantastic! However, throughout all of history, men and women have fulfilled different roles within society and within the church. The question is which of these is of God and which of these is of human propogation?

Well I don't really believe in women Pastors (over the congregation), but even if so, if she does not have her biblical role in the marriage, she should not be Pastor

Sister Alvear · #**1493** 02-12-2011, 03:49 PM

I know a few cases like this and would never say one word to hurt any sister for she and she alone knows why or what has put her in that position...I CANNOT SEE that in my case...ha....just glad my husband is the leader of our home and the church.

rdp · #**1494** 02-12-2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Well....I get in too much trouble if I say too much on here but here goes... God used women in Bible days and we all know that. He has always used women that were willing vessels and He still uses women today and He always will!
I have heard some great women preachers, prophetesses and handmaidens that could get more done in one service than most men in months of spit slinging. I think it is a SHAME and a DISGRACE the way some men have talked about women ministers like they have.
Considering the reputation of the one that started this thread - it should have never even been allowed to continue! I give not an ounce of credibility to anyone like that.
My Great Grandmother was a Holy Ghost Filled Prophetess that prophesied my life and ministry in the Delta of Mississippi in 1955 and every word she prophesied has come to pass.
God bless you Sister Alvear and all Ministers of the Gospel - both Men and Women! Keep Preaching, Praying and Prophesying the Word of the Lord. Don't let anybody keep you from your calling!
My pastor told me 40 years ago - They are gonna talk about you if you do and they are gonna talk about you if you don't so - You do what GOD called you to do and don't worry about what PEOPLE talk about!

What's a "shame" & "disgrace" is how you claim to be a preacher of the Bible...then explain away the very Bible you preach from!! "I do not allow a woman to teach, or to excercise authority over a man. She is to remain quiet."

Put your eraser up...it'll still be there when you're finished!

rdp · #**1495** 02-12-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Philip was one of the chosen by the Apostles, that walked and talked with God, and was to be one of the administrators of the Church from the beginning, and has taught all four of his virgin daughters the Word and they prophecy...

Wonder where Philip was while they were speaking the word of God?

Oh my goodness....I must have demonstrated to you about 500 x's by now that "prophecy" IS NOT a sermon from the Scriptures.

Good grief, I mean no disrespect, but how many times do we have to do this???

rdp · #**1496** 02-12-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

rdp is anything but consistent

Funny....I'm "consistent" enough to believe the Biblical instructions to the NT church

!! Maybe you oughta' give it a shot!

rdp · #**1497** 02-12-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

So I guess you gave up on the "screaming is for men" line?

Let's see, where to begin? My original inference was that it's certainly not feminine to be hollering & screaming like a maniac. If you can't even discern what's masculine vs. feminine, it's no small wonder you believe in "women preachers." Moving right along....

BTW I already addressed this verse earlier. They do mean what they instruct to the NT church. The problem is you don't understand the instructoin

How amusing....Ughhh, it means exactly what it says. It is N-O-T instructing husbands & wives in the home environment, as you imply. "These things I write to you SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE YOURSELF IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD, WHICH IS THE CHURCH...." Don't even have to know Greek to understand that one Prax...just need honesty!

So now that you changed the point again to a different one let me ask this, again, How is a woman to pray or prophesy if she is to be silent. You're quoting scriptures that don't tell us HOW a woman is to preach, which was your original assertion. If you are gonna use these verses as a blanket statement then you must apply them that way.

Straw man alert! YOU are the one asserting that I've "changed the point again,"...nice try, but I addressed this above. In I Tim., the context is dealing w/ women's role in the church...which is NOT one of authority. And what in the world do you mean "IF she is to be silent"? The actual text SAYS "She is to remain quiet." Apparently this doesn't mean what it says eh' Prax???? Too funny....

So the fallacy of your argument is then that a woman CAN preach as long as she does so without raising her voice?

I simply pointed out the masculine demeanor of this lady....which MANY other pastors have noted. But, hey, you just keep encouraging women in the church to disobey I Tim. 2:11-15!

Which still begs the original question of whether or not raising the voice is being like a man, which is essential if she is to prophecy

For about the 500th time now....Prophecy is NOT "preaching" a sermon from the Scriptures! I Cor. is dealing w/ the gifts of the Spirit...not "preaching"! Man....what in the world is wrong you people???

Praxeas · #**1498** 02-12-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

Oh my goodness....I must have demonstrated to you about 500 x's by now that "prophecy" IS NOT a sermon from the Scriptures.

Good grief, I mean no disrespect, but how many times do we have to do this???

What difference does it make? You said women should be silent and men loud screamers

rdp · #**1499** 02-12-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

rdp, can women testify in church?

I Tim. 2:11-15 clearly forbids women from excercising authority over men by teaching...just as the text says. I do not see "testifying" as a violation of I Tim. 2, or I Cor. 14...as taking the authoritative word of God & expounding there-from to men is.

BUT...even here, if a woman starts acting out of order, then she should be dealt w/. God is a God of order...."For Adam was F-I-R-S-T formed, T-H-E-N Eve." It's all about headship & order...which you encourage women to violate. I wouldn't be in your shoes for nothing in the world....

rdp · #**1500** 02-12-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I am no prophetess however a few times in my life the Lord has given me a word...one night as I was teaching a class on WB doctrine all of a sudden I spoke out...someone here will die tomorrow before noon...I really stunned myself...we all fell to the floor in deep prayer...the next day a seemly healthly young student (in his 30's) dropped dead before lunch...
So God does use women and sometimes God speaks to men through a woman...that does not mean she is unruley and bossy because God speaks something...

Just because Some woman was always out of her place does not mean all women are out of their place...we have had a few MEN preachers come to Brazil that got out of their place...RESPECT fits in good at all time among both sexes...

Very good example of "prophecy," which is NOT a pre-meditated sermon from the Scriptures, but the spontaneous revealing of the hidden. My point all along!