***JG says he's not going anywhere!!***

[Thad]

TV,


A mega church in all of christiandom is 2000 people or greater, so JG is not too far off don't you think?
church attendance in America has dropped dramitcally. many of the denominational churches have numbers on their Roll book but the actual sunday attendance in general, is very poor. For Pentecostals, they go by actual attendance rather than someone signing a book but only going on easter or C'mas.

[tv1a]

The point is there are many doing better with less and don't get the credit they deserve. Is not Alexandria is smaller than Durham? They shouldn't be running twice as many as Durham. Is Stockton the same size as Durham? They are two to three times larger than Durham.

Attendance #'s are so misleading. The only #'s that worth any weight are the percentage of new converts in a congregation.

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Lots...and I would bet most cities that are larger than Durham, and have a church of less than 1/10 of the population, in fact for some the entire district has fewer people than 1/10 of the city's population.

Your comparison is no less ridiculous.

Have your personal evangelism and calling yielded more than 1/10 of the population of the city you live in?

[Thad]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The point is there are many doing better with less and don't get the credit they deserve. Is not Alexandria is smaller than Durham? They shouldn't be running twice as many as Durham. Is Stockton the same size as Durham? They are two to three times larger than Durham.

Attendance #'s are so misleading. The only #'s that worth any weight are the percentage of new converts in a congregation.

I'm not sure how big durham is- it's connected to raliegh too isn't it ?

stockton has 300,000 people but they also have several Branch works plus other Oneness and UPC churches that are not their Branch works

[tv1a]

Rick Warren doesn't have a book signing and has a church of 20,000. One non minister in Pontiac has brought in more than 1,000 people himself.

Another statistic worth noting is the success of the daughter works.

Originally Posted by Thad

TV,


A mega church in all of christiandom is 2000 people or greater, so JG is not too far off don't you think?
church attendance in America has dropped dramitcally. many of the denominational churches have numbers on their Roll book but the actual sunday attendance in general, is very poor. For Pentecostals, they go by actual attendance rather than someone signing a book but only going on easter or C'mas.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The point is there are many doing better with less and don't get the credit they deserve. Is not Alexandria is smaller than Durham? They shouldn't be running twice as many as Durham. Is Stockton the same size as Durham? They are two to three times larger than Durham.

Attendance #'s are so misleading. The only #'s that worth any weight are the percentage of new converts in a congregation.

I have been preaching that for long time now.

According to a google search, Durham has 187,035 in it. If he had a church of 18,703 people that were all saved. Then 90% of his town would still be lost. JG is a great man and will one day run that many or more maybe, but when you look at population of the town and the number in service on Sunday AM 1870 is what it would take for 1% of his town to be saved.

I think that when we all look at our towns populations and what we average on Sunday AM we all have lots of work to do for the kingdom before the rapture.

[tv1a]

That's the point.

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

I have been preaching that for long time now.

According to a google search, Durham has 187,035 in it. If he had a church of 18,703 people that were all saved. Then 90% of his town would still be lost. JG is a great man and will one day run that many or more maybe, but when you look at population of the town and the number in service on Sunday AM 1870 is what it would take for 1% of his town to be saved.

I think that when we all look at our towns populations and what we average on Sunday AM we all have lots of work to do for the kingdom before the rapture.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

OK...JG is in fact the man from North Carolina....

WH is a reference to the poster "Whole Hearted" and not the other man in North Carolina...abriviating poster names is very common and once you've gotten used to the frorum shortcuts you will get it...my shortened name is T1.

The references about JG and Tulsa are about a conference he is helping to sponsor taking place in Jan. and in our fair city of Tulsa...there are multiple threads about this that are active right now.

The reason we do not spell out names has to do with decorum and slander....it has been a long held practice to use initials only when talking about Apostolic preachers (especially conservative ones) in a negative light or as a part of the routine gossip...in times past Admins would even delete posts and gives the poster an infraction (or even a ban) if they did not use initials only...

BUMP FOR meBNme.....

I answered your question, did you see it?

[meBNme]

Originally Posted by Thad

I'm not sure how big durham is- it's connected to raliegh too isn't it ?

stockton has 300,000 people but they also have several Branch works plus other Oneness and UPC churches that are not their Branch works

I feel I have to speak up here.

I am a member of the Raleigh UPC, and Durham is a neighboring city, but other than our two churches being UPCI, there is no connection.

What I must speak out against is the negative, fault finding spirits here.
People are so busy tearing into men of God and quite obviously don't even have a clue of the facts. All up in the koolaid and don't even know the flavor.
So busy bashing people who HAVE thriving growing churches. Claiming fact-less claims and accusing of not winning souls etc. What are YOU doing to win souls and grow churches while you are here on the Internet tearing a brother down?

So you disagree with their stand on an issue. Fine, discuss YOUR opinions and why you believe it. And if you wish, fight it through the proper channels. But this murmuring, and bickering, and fact-less fault finding and strife filled comments and accusations ARE NOT OF GOD no matter how one "justifies" it. If any of you who are involved in this kind of mess (on a public forum nonetheless) are pastors, you REALLY need to check yourselves because that kind of attitude is embarrassing for "mere" secular Christians, and absolutely over the line for someone who calls themselves a minister of the Gospel.

You want to complain about how someones standard is "running converts away". Well what in the world do you think crud talk like has been going on here is doing to new people?
Inspiring them to become one of us?
You are bashing people for doing the same thing you are, under a different name.

Oh how easily we forget that we ALL regularly need a check up, from the neck up.

And whats all this focus on numbers and judging ones Christianity and pastoral validity on numbers? Some are so quick to cast stones here.
Well what about you stone throwers, how "big" is YOUR church? How long has it been there? Did YOU help make it what it is, or did you just show up for the ride? Do you actually have anything to contribute here, or are you just content to criticize the ministry and and their beliefs?




(Thad, sorry to hijack your post like this, I hope you will forgive me )

[meBNme]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

BUMP FOR meBNme.....

I answered your question, did you see it?

I sure did! thanks! (just now got back online)


Thanks for the explanations, that clears up a few things.

I still think initials lend more to confusion and gossiping, and misunderstandings. Its not as if saying someones initials makes void any slanderous comments though.
I can see the reason behind their decision, but personally think its a fruitless gesture.

But thanks for letting me know why it is the way it is!

[papapraiz]

Actually ... I think that it was good for him to hear you say that.