How much information should the saints expect from their pastor?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So are you saying your sheep are ignorant and would change their beliefs and convictions when the UPC votes and that is why you don't tell them? Or like me, would you agree your post was just a red herring?

Stop putting words in my mouth, please.

I was responding to some of the posts that implied that local churches would change their beliefs if the UPC decided to change. I think that is ignorant.

I am not trying to keep things "secret" from anyone.

I just don't think it is in any way relevant to the local church.

As I said, I had one young preacher ask me about it this past Sunday, and I answered his question.

I am not into red herrings, Prax.

[anapko]

Originally Posted by josh

Perhaps I shouldn't speak for Coonskinner, but he was pastoring his church long before he was in the UPC. In other words, his church wasn't upc and therefore has no reason to wonder or worry what the upc is doing.

Just because he joined doesn't mean he abdicated his leadership to someone two or three states away...or that his church should be bound to or worried about some decision made by men ten states away.

I could not get over this post. If, If, If, you are a member of a group, whether UPC, AOG, ALJC, and you pastor a church, you have a reponsibility to your congregation to keep them updated. To withhold information might be a sign of insecurity on the minister's part.

[anapko]

[QUOTE=MissBrattified;269198]Church services aren't a good time and place to discuss organizational politics. I see nothing wrong with a pastor sharing information if he wants to, or if someone is interested, but taking up precious time during service? It's not important enough.

I don't believe a pastor should hide information from those who want to know.

QUOTE]

Carpenter's original post in this thread was a comment about a "letter", not a sermon blasted from the pulpit! The brethren that are defending their pulpit activities are side stepping the issue. Aside from sermons preached from the pulpit, would you onform your people of what went on after you returned from GC. The answer to this question should be yes, albeit not from a sermonized pulpit. Just simply inform your congregation and quit defending that you have UPC license and your church does not.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by anapko81

I could not get over this post. If, If, If, you are a member of a group, whether UPC, AOG, ALJC, and you pastor a church, you have a reponsibility to your congregation to keep them updated. To withhold information might be a sign of insecurity on the minister's part.

Let's throw out some more "If's."

If....

I changed my message every time the constituency changed its mind...

The practices and teaching of our local church were going to be signifigantly altered by a vote at GC...

It mattered in any way...

I could see your point.

[Coonskinner]

I wouldn't withhold the info from anyone who asked, but I see absolutely no profit whatsoever in blathering on about a bunch of political maueverings, many of which I am not proud to even be a part of, and which put some of the ministry in a negative light.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I wouldn't withhold the info from anyone who asked, but I see absolutely no profit whatsoever in blathering on about a bunch of political maueverings, many of which I am not proud to even be a part of, and which put some of the ministry in a negative light.

And some have admitted to using it against evangelist that didn't vote like him.

I think CS is saying HE isn't changing anything based on the vote. Business as usual.

[dizzyde]

[QUOTE=anapko81;269407]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Church services aren't a good time and place to discuss organizational politics. I see nothing wrong with a pastor sharing information if he wants to, or if someone is interested, but taking up precious time during service? It's not important enough.

I don't believe a pastor should hide information from those who want to know.

QUOTE]

Carpenter's original post in this thread was a comment about a "letter", not a sermon blasted from the pulpit! The brethren that are defending their pulpit activities are side stepping the issue. Aside from sermons preached from the pulpit, would you onform your people of what went on after you returned from GC. The answer to this question should be yes, albeit not from a sermonized pulpit. Just simply inform your congregation and quit defending that you have UPC license and your church does not.

Basically this whole discussion (IMO) comes down to agreeing to disagree, once more. Obviously some feel very strongly about needing to hear this type of information in your church services. Just as strongly, others do not want to, or need to hear this type of information during a church service. As far as I can see it, the best option is to make sure that you attend a church that fulfills your own personal need. I just don't understand why it has to be a right way or a wrong way issue. I thought this was a personal opinion discussion, not an attack if you don't agree discussion.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Stop putting words in my mouth, please.

I was asking you, since you were responding to my quote

I was responding to some of the posts that implied that local churches would change their beliefs if the UPC decided to change. I think that is ignorant.

no, you responded to MY post and I never said any local church should change their beliefs CS....

I am not trying to keep things "secret" from anyone.

ok

I just don't think it is in any way relevant to the local church.

It might not be relevant, it might be important to them personally though.

As I said, I had one young preacher ask me about it this past Sunday, and I answered his question.

Cool

I am not into red herrings, Prax.

Smoked Salmon?

What if a "saint" only started attending a UPC affiliated church because of their anti-television stance... does that "saint" have a right to know that the stance has changed?

[Praxeas]

Do the AOF of the UPC apply only to Licensed Ministers?