Hitler did not have a choice, because of all the circumstances that surrounded his life he could not have been anyone other than who he became, anymore that you are I can be other than who we are. That anyone is saved out of sin and evil is a gift from God and is not because of how good we are, or what great choices we make.
(Ep. 2:6-7) HE made us to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to comeHE might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
We are not robots, however we are placed in time and space as God purposes. We have free will within the boundaries of who we are, we cannot be other than who and how God made and placed us. We will be apart of God's elect in this world only as God purposes.
WOW. The false-humility here seems astounding. Go back and watch Schindler's List or maybe remind yourself of whom you spoke of. Ideas have consequences, and ideas aren't robotically put into one's head. I suggest you read The Lamb and the Fuhrer, at least it would be entertaining and enlightening both.
Let us not disregard common sense! Hitler was an evil man, who did evil continually, who slaughtered God's own, including women and children. Hitler and may share space as sinners, but that's as far as it goes.
CHOICE, CHOICE, CHOICE.... life isn't what cards your dealt with, it's how you respond to it. Don't forget that.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Being born as a certain person involves the fact that such a person will grow and come to certain decision-making points in his/her life. To do the right thing and be moral will cause one to avoid what everyone knows instinctively is evil. Hitler chose to do what is immoral and morality is not something that is taught. Every culture knows the basic morals.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
WOW. The false-humility here seems astounding. Go back and watch Schindler's List or maybe remind yourself of whom you spoke of. Ideas have consequences, and ideas aren't robotically put into one's head. I suggest you read The Lamb and the Fuhrer, at least it would be entertaining and enlightening both.
Let us not disregard common sense! Hitler was an evil man, who did evil continually, who slaughtered God's own, including women and children. Hitler and may share space as sinners, but that's as far as it goes.
CHOICE, CHOICE, CHOICE.... life isn't what cards your dealt with, it's how you respond to it. Don't forget that.
So was it the genocide that was evil? Or the fact that the genocide happened to be on "God's chosen people" that made it evil?
Because ironically enough, in the Bible genocide against "God's enemies" (including women and children) is portrayed as righteous.
So was it the genocide that was evil? Or the fact that the genocide happened to be on "God's chosen people" that made it evil?
Because ironically enough, in the Bible genocide against "God's enemies" (including women and children) is portrayed as righteous.
I can't understand how people can reconcile that.
Are we trying to reconcile is what Hitler did was evil? Really?
Or is this a separate question: "Why did God anoint his people to slaughter thousands of others... and why did He anoint other nations to even slaughter Israel?"
Let's phrase the question and have a discussion. I think even you can recognize the evil in Hitler's actions (I would hope). The second question, is much more approachable.
We tend to not remember what dispensation/time/season we are in. God handled sin with judgement, and the only thing keeping back His judgement today is the atonement. That's it. And there's coming a future day of Judgement (see John's description in The Revelation). We tend to see God through pastel, nursery-rhyme colors, but forget His true character. This is why the OT is so important to our faith today. We must know His ways.
There is no polarity (in principles ways) between the OT and NT. In Ezekiel God says, "The soul who sins is the one who will die." In Romans we find "the wages of sin is death." In Ezekiel, God says "I take no pleasure in the death of anyone." In 1 Peter, Paul writes "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish." Both testaments proclaim the way to avoid "death": REPENT! (Ezekiel 18:32, 2Peter 3:9).
The elements of truth to us today, about how thorough God's judgements are, should be something we take note of. When we allow Him to purge us of ungodliness, we should "kill all" and not leave nothing undone. He doesn't want a half-job, he wants those who will leave all and follow Him.
God wants LIFE for us. We (sadly) often choose death.
To understand why innocent children died, we must seek to understand past our postmodern sensibilities, and see the bigger picture. Death and destruction was the norm. God's people are no longer a physical or geographical nation, but are now a spiritual body/family that stretches across human politics.
We tend to not remember what dispensation/time/season we are in. God handled sin with judgement, and the only thing keeping back His judgement today is the atonement.
Amen. But when it comes to Jews slaughtered by Hitler, it was atrocious in itself, aside from any inkling that Jews were God's own. God's own are not people simply who are Jews.
When Abraham had a son named Ishmael the boy was circumcised and a child of Abraham. Isaac came along and he was likewise circumcised, but the seed was reckoned through Isaac, not Ishmael. Time went by and Isaac fathered Jacob and Esau. But the seed was not counted through Esau either. Yet Esau was a descendant of Abraham and Isaac. Even circumcised!
When Jacob became Israel, his twelve sons were called the nation of Israel and her twelve tribes. But amongst them, as time went by, should they refuse the newly introduced Passover, they were cut off and not considered part of Israel despite the lineage. Meanwhile, passover allowed, for the first time, gentiles with no Israelite lineage to become part of Israel. So Israelites not circumcised or not keepers of passover were no longer considered Israelites, whereas gentiles who kept passover and were circumcised were considered as Israelitish as the best if them.
And since Christ is the Seed foretold to Abraham for the recipient of the promises, what about the Jews who rejected Him? They are outside any promises of being God's people, let alone recipients of heritage from God.
You can reject Passover and no longer be God's own, and yet reject Christ and still be God's own?
So, just to note that, in light of the chat about "God's own," we ought not even consider Jews slaughtered as God's own being slaughtered, but simply that human beings were slaughtered. Let's not confuse the truth of whom is God's people for the sake of emphasizing the wickedness of Adolph Hitler.
Anyway, carry on.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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