divine flesh and original sin

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If half of Jesus divinely created nucleaic acid was pure and part or half of his humanity did not possess the sin proned nature passed on by Adam ... than is he really the second Adam? ... was he just like us?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No....why would it? Again back to the trees...God created the trees. Where they Divine in nature?

DNA is not sinful. Humans are sinful. What we are talking about is just genetic material. Nucleic acids

Oh my! Oh my! OH MY!

I see, I see, I see.

I now understand the basis of the misunderstanding.

I am going to put this in the very fewest words possible that it might go to the heart of the objection presented here.

In a word...when Adam fell, sin entered into all the world which includes the natural world too. All of creation fell. Yes, the trees fell too. Inherient in the fall of Adam is the fall of all creation. All of creation of sorts, is sinful.

That would take a while to explain too. But, yes even the very air that we breathe and the trees that grow in our yards and forests are fallen creation embued with the transgression of Adam...corrupt...prone to death having no life in it.

Created sperm would not have been embued with the Adamic fall.

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I did not say that our DNA causes our sinful nature .. but it is affected by our sinful nature ... no?

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I have to think that all of his humanity was from Mary .... who was from the seed of David ... the seed of Abraham ... and the seed of Adam ...

He was all human sin-proned flesh and all God.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Oh my! Oh my! OH MY!

I see, I see, I see.

I now understand the basis of the misunderstanding.

I am going to put this in the very fewest words possible that it might go to the heart of the objection presented here.

In a word...when Adam fell, sin entered into all the world which includes the natural world too. All of creation fell. Yes, the trees fell too. Inherient in the fall of Adam is the fall of all creation. All of creation of sorts, is sinful.

That would take a while to explain too. But, yes even the very air that we breathe and the trees that grow in our yards and forests are fallen creation embued with the transgression of Adam...corrupt...prone to death having no life in it.

Created sperm would not have been embued with the Adamic fall.

Right, but I would not call the trees before the fall Divine, nor Adam before the fall Divine....

Because I don't consider Adam before the fall "Divine" I would not say Epley believes in Divine Sperm and since the discussion is really about Divine Flesh, which is flesh not simply heavenly in origin, but in nature, I can't equate what Epley said in the same manner.

As for DNA...DNA is simply a string of nucleic acids. One does NOT have to have Divineness nor fallen nature coded into it. If it comes from man it's from fallen man. If it is created by God, it's just created...it does not come FROM God. See what I mean? God is Spirit. If God created DNA or the male chromosome it need not be neither Divine nor fallen....all it is is the substance necessary to facilitate biogenesis (is that the right word?)

As an example I gave...if science were able to strand together nucleic acids to form a DNA strand, artificially, did they create Divine DNA?

There wasn't anything special about Adams DNA that made him without sin. He was without sin because he had not sinned yet.

BTW, let's assume then God had to create DNA that was already "fallen" DNA....whats wrong with that? God created light and dark...good and evil.That does not mean God created sinful DNA...it just means the nature by which man has the propensity to commit sin is there. Jesus was perfect right? Yet did he not have the same fallen human nature, without sin?

Oh...BTW...if DNA is sinful and a father who had murdered has a child, does the child become a murder too by nature? No.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I have to think that all of his humanity was from Mary .... who was from the seed of David ... the seed of Abraham ... and the seed of Adam ...

He was all human sin-proned flesh and all God.

To this I will agree, with certain stipulations. That stipulation would be that in fact, the actual seed of Abraham, carried on down through David into Mary that held it within herself up to the point that she became pregnant when she exclaimed, "Let it be unto thy hadmaiden according to thy word." Instantly, the seed droped into her womb and combined with her egg.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I have to think that all of his humanity was from Mary .... who was from the seed of David ... the seed of Abraham ... and the seed of Adam ...

He was all human sin-proned flesh and all God.

Yes Mary only has one set of chromosomes needed to produce a human being right? Humans are not asexual.

BTW even if he got ALL His humanity from Mary....which I actually agree...that does not mean still that a male chromosome was necessary. It would still mean that God made something happen....God had to have changed Mary's DNA somehow or added a second set of chromosomes

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange

To this I will agree, with certain stipulations. That stipulation would be that in fact, the actual seed of Abraham, carried on down through David into Mary that held it within herself up to the point that she became pregnant when she exclaimed, "Let it be unto thy hadmaiden according to thy word." Instantly, the seed droped into her womb and combined with her egg.

I can't agree w/ your view of the virgin birth ... I chalk it up to the miraculous and supernatural ... my faith does not have to explain it all .... if the word says the Holy Ghost fathered this child and that he is all man and all God ... then so may it be.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Since Jesus Christ was borned of a virgin ,He had no taint of original sin ,nor did He have a falled Adamic nature ,due to His virgin birth.
If the flesh of Jesus Christ was divine ,then how did His body die on the cross ? Because divinity can't be killed.
If God is eternal how can He die ?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I can't agree w/ your view of the virgin birth ... I chalk it up to the miraculous and supernatural ... my faith does not have to explain it all .... if the word says the Holy Ghost fathered this child and that he is all man and all God ... then so may it be.

How is he all God? Im just asking because it sounds like you are connecting the Holy Ghost causing the conception to His being All God....