History of Tithes in the Church

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Moses never commanded people that they "cannot leave your dwellings on the Sabbath" (EXCEPT to tell people not to go out to gather manna on the Sabbath). Where in the world do people get this stuff from?

WE don't bake any food, or boil water, or go out gathering sticks for firewood (or whatever) on the Sabbath.

You say you aren't a Sabbath breaker, yet you don't seem to even know what is actually commanded in regards to the Sabbath. So how could you even know if you were or were not a Sabbath breaker? And no, Jesus isn't your "Sabbath". The Bible tells us what the Sabbath is, it says "... the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God". It was holy before Adam ever sinned and got kicked out of the Garden, the Israelites were commanded to REMEMBER the Sabbath (remember means it was already there in place, they weren't commanded to "make the sabbath").

If you do not REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY, then you are a Sabbath breaker. Simple. As.

Why do people insist on just making up doctrines that are not found anywhere in the Bible? "Jesus is my Sabbath" said no Bible writer ever.

Exodus 16:29
See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Moses never commanded people that they "cannot leave your dwellings on the Sabbath" (EXCEPT to tell people not to go out to gather manna on the Sabbath). Where in the world do people get this stuff from?

WE don't bake any food, or boil water, or go out gathering sticks for firewood (or whatever) on the Sabbath.

You say you aren't a Sabbath breaker, yet you don't seem to even know what is actually commanded in regards to the Sabbath. So how could you even know if you were or were not a Sabbath breaker? And no, Jesus isn't your "Sabbath". The Bible tells us what the Sabbath is, it says "... the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God". It was holy before Adam ever sinned and got kicked out of the Garden, the Israelites were commanded to REMEMBER the Sabbath (remember means it was already there in place, they weren't commanded to "make the sabbath").

If you do not REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY, then you are a Sabbath breaker. Simple. As.

Why do people insist on just making up doctrines that are not found anywhere in the Bible? "Jesus is my Sabbath" said no Bible writer ever.

Hebrews 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Who is “his” referring to other than Jesus?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Exodus 16:29
See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

Exodus 16:4-30 KJV
Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. [5] And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily. [6] And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the Lord hath brought you out from the land of Egypt: [7] And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the Lord ; for that he heareth your murmurings against the Lord : and what are we, that ye murmur against us? [8] And Moses said, This shall be, when the Lord shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the Lord heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the Lord. [9] And Moses spake unto Aaron, Say unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, Come near before the Lord : for he hath heard your murmurings. [10] And it came to pass, as Aaron spake unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and, behold, the glory of the Lord appeared in the cloud. [11] And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, [12] I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the Lord your God. [13] And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host. [14] And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground. [15] And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat. [16] This is the thing which the Lord hath commanded, Gather of it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents. [17] And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less. [18] And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating. [19] And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning. [20] Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them. [21] And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted. [22] And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man : and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. [23] And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord : bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. [24] And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein. [25] And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord : to day ye shall not find it in the field. [26] Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. [27] And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. [28] And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? [29] See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. [30] So the people rested on the seventh day.

The issue was they went out to GATHER MANNA WHEN GOD SAID THERE WOULD BE NONE. They went to go to work when they weren't supposed to. It wasn't about leaving the house. Otherwise Jesus was an habitual Sabbath breaker who left His house to go teach and minister in the synagogue.

May I reiterate something?

Exodus 16:28 KJV
And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Hebrews 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Who is “his” referring to other than Jesus?

Have you ceased from your own works? No more job? No house chores or yardwork? No more cooking? Is that what the verse is about?

Malachi 1:6 KJV
A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Question: Have you honoured your Heavenly Father? If so, does that mean you can now blow off your natural parents? No? Then the SAME LOGIC APPLIES TO THE 4TH COMMANDMENT AS IT DOES TO THE 5TH COMMANDMENT.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Have you ceased from your own works? No more job? No house chores or yardwork? No more cooking? Is that what the verse is about?

Malachi 1:6 KJV
A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Question: Have you honoured your Heavenly Father? If so, does that mean you can now blow off your natural parents? No? Then the SAME LOGIC APPLIES TO THE 4TH COMMANDMENT AS IT DOES TO THE 5TH COMMANDMENT.

We are still physically, but are no longer working to earn merits with God. My wife is a stay at home mom. There is no way for her to be benefited from observing a literal Sabbath. Every Sat. or Sun. She is still requiered to wipe bottoms, feed babies dress them, etc… and although those things are not forbidden by the law, they are still very much work. The Sabbath was created for man (our benefit) so we don’t have to work, but the scripture recognizes the law was insufficient.

Hebrews 7:18
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Honoring your parents is a morality issue that is reiterated in the New Testament. I don’t honour my parents because it is in the Ten Commandments, but because what I have in my heart.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Exodus 16:4-30 KJV
Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. [5] And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily. [6] And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the Lord hath brought you out from the land of Egypt: [7] And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the Lord ; for that he heareth your murmurings against the Lord : and what are we, that ye murmur against us? [8] And Moses said, This shall be, when the Lord shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the Lord heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the Lord. [9] And Moses spake unto Aaron, Say unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, Come near before the Lord : for he hath heard your murmurings. [10] And it came to pass, as Aaron spake unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and, behold, the glory of the Lord appeared in the cloud. [11] And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, [12] I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the Lord your God. [13] And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host. [14] And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground. [15] And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat. [16] This is the thing which the Lord hath commanded, Gather of it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents. [17] And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less. [18] And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating. [19] And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning. [20] Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them. [21] And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted. [22] And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man : and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. [23] And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord : bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. [24] And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein. [25] And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord : to day ye shall not find it in the field. [26] Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. [27] And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. [28] And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? [29] See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. [30] So the people rested on the seventh day.

The issue was they went out to GATHER MANNA WHEN GOD SAID THERE WOULD BE NONE. They went to go to work when they weren't supposed to. It wasn't about leaving the house. Otherwise Jesus was an habitual Sabbath breaker who left His house to go teach and minister in the synagogue.

May I reiterate something?

Exodus 16:28 KJV
And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Interestingly Jesus was often being falsely accused of being a Sabbath breaker.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

We are still physically, but are no longer working to earn merits with God. My wife is a stay at home mom. There is no way for her to be benefited from observing a literal Sabbath. Every Sat. or Sun. She is still requiered to wipe bottoms, feed babies dress them, etc… and although those things are not forbidden by the law, they are still very much work. The Sabbath was created for man (our benefit) so we don’t have to work, but the scripture recognizes the law was insufficient.

You really can't see what's happening here?

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You really can't see what's happening here?

I believe it is the other way around.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I believe it is the other way around.

Okie dokie.

[Esaias]

Apologies for hijacking the thread.