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Originally Posted by Rudy
so by your own words food could be given. If I cut and package half a beef and deliver it to you would you take it?
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Not if it does not support me as an income. What is this crops and cattle thing, when the economy in the bible worked with that but it does not today? If we're going to be that wooden in our beliefs, then let's all wear robes and discard our cheques and cash for crops as well. The point is the INCREASE of the people then was crops and cattle. So they gave that. If your increase is not cash but crops and cattle, then yes.
So the jab backfires. lol If you insist we do it the bible way with crops and cattle, then you cannot receive case or cheques from your place of employment either.
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Now about being disingenuous. Mike if we use Mosaic Law to promote tithing you can't change it to do whatever you want it to do or say.
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It's whatever the manner of increase of the giver is. So, I insist it is disengenuous.
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This is how the religious world is so messed up. Make it say something else. God made it clear what he wanted tithed, period.
Also, here in these United States it was not all that long ago where food items were used to pay doctors, laborers, mid-wives, farm workers,etc. It's nothing new.
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But the person paring the food would also have to be paid food by his or her employer to be consistent.
To show how this turns the whole principle on it's ear, can you picture a person in the old testament getting paid American dollars and expected to offer tithes of cattle and crops? Where would he get his cattle from if his increase is American money? Same thing!
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Because of the times we may find ourselves doing this again.
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Sure. If the person giving is in turn paid that way, then nothing wrong with supporting ministry that way. But it is inconsistent and unfair to demand Old Covenant commerce in tithing when the tithers are not being paid from their employers the same thing.
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No, there is nothing wrong with tithing money, you're right. But here is what happens much of the time. The person that gives let say 5% gets shunned more times than not. I know the guilt trips used to persuade the masses.
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That's not the problem of tithing. It's a people problem.
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It would seem to me to be more fun to do away with mandatory tithing and see what God will do!!!
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It's not mandatory in our church. No one is shunned if they don't. And there are some who don't
there are lots of inspired, independent churches now.
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