Where's The Disgust About Baltimore?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

?????? Thats not a racist statement. She just said she will seek justice for them. Did I miss something?

She doesn't need to put out inflammatory Malcolm X speech. She has overcharged in this case and it's going to make matters worse. She is going to have to prove, individually, what ALL six of the officers were doing or not doing that was the direct cause for this incident. The seatbelt issue was new policy put in place just a few days before Gray's arrest. It's a no-brainer that the new order wasn't communicated effectively.

And why was he on a mile foot race running from the police officers?

[Originalist]

Niger Innis get s it.....

[Originalist]

Pastor Manning gets it....

[Liteweight47]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You are so clueless. I've been very outspoken about the militarization of the police of late . It's obvious Obama is trying to form his "national defense force" that he spoke of. But you seem to still be in denial of the false narrative that the left is trying to stir up that cops are intentionally targeting blacks. All this race hype is diverting attention from the real police brutality that is aimed at ALL of us , not just blacks. This prosecutor did her best to turn this into a race thing. The fact that black cops were involved will not get in the way of the race baiters.

The general disconnect is the realization of the fact that there is a coming "police state", and this police state is centered in American cities. The fact is however there are certain groups that have seen "the worst" of the forming police state. Latinos and African Americans HAVE gotten the worst of the Criminal Justice System.

I don't believe I remember the prosecutor turning this into a race thing.

I don't think black cops being involved negates the fact that African Americans and Latinos generally are effected by the criminal justice system more.

Black cops can be as corrupt as white cops. These issues stem from social status and location. I'm less likely to experience an incident of police brutality of this magnitude now, (even though I am African American) because I live in a relatively safe multi-racial neighborhood in the suburbs. In many cities however police officers are known for targeting certain neighborhoods.... maybe because there IS more crime, maybe because there IS a culture of violence amongst young African American youth. But I've seen first hand cops, black, white, and latino who in these neighborhoods in an effort to "show who's boss" have no problem randomly harassing individuals like Gray, randomly picking people up, randomly searching people, etc. It is a part of police state dynamics and it's a serious issue.

Police brutality and corruption in the justice system IS an issue in many inner cities that adversely effects certain groups more than others.

Is this a bigger issue to me then a cultural promotion of violence, gang-life, drug dealing, etc? No.

Is this a bigger issue than a truancy rate of 45% in Freddie Gray's neighborhood? No.

Is this a bigger issue than a nanny welfare state that has single handedly destroyed inner cities and encouraged many hundreds of thousands of African American and Latino families to become dependent on the government? No.

Open borders? No.

However, the only solution to what led to what happened on Monday night is to reach these young men and young women and turn them around. We can't throw them all of West Baltimore in jail, we can't CONTINUE to sweep West Baltimore under the rug and stare at the Inner Harbor and everything north of Reisterstown Road while there are middle aged people who can't read in Park Heights and North Avenue. We have to eventually do something to reach these young people and change the reality that they live in day in and day out.

We can't do that if we completely and totally ignore the reality of CLINTON's "War on Drug's" and what it has done to these communities. When I've seen the constant harassment with my own eyes it would be insane for me to deny it exists. There is RAMPANT corruption in Baltimore from the city hall to the police.

[Liteweight47]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Niger Innis get s it.....

Just because they're black doesn't mean that they have a grasp on what goes on in the black community any more than Sharpton or Jackson.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Liteweight47

The general disconnect is the realization of the fact that there is a coming "police state", and this police state is centered in American cities. The fact is however there are certain groups that have seen "the worst" of the forming police state. Latinos and African Americans HAVE gotten the worst of the Criminal Justice System.

I don't believe I remember the prosecutor turning this into a race thing.

I don't think black cops being involved negates the fact that African Americans and Latinos generally are effected by the criminal justice system more.

Black cops can be as corrupt as white cops. These issues stem from social status and location. I'm less likely to experience an incident of police brutality of this magnitude now, (even though I am African American) because I live in a relatively safe multi-racial neighborhood in the suburbs. In many cities however police officers are known for targeting certain neighborhoods.... maybe because there IS more crime, maybe because there IS a culture of violence amongst young African American youth. But I've seen first hand cops, black, white, and latino who in these neighborhoods in an effort to "show who's boss" have no problem randomly harassing individuals like Gray, randomly picking people up, randomly searching people, etc. It is a part of police state dynamics and it's a serious issue.

Police brutality and corruption in the justice system IS an issue in many inner cities that adversely effects certain groups more than others.

Is this a bigger issue to me then a cultural promotion of violence, gang-life, drug dealing, etc? No.

Is this a bigger issue than a truancy rate of 45% in Freddie Gray's neighborhood? No.

Is this a bigger issue than a nanny welfare state that has single handedly destroyed inner cities and encouraged many hundreds of thousands of African American and Latino families to become dependent on the government? No.

Open borders? No.

However, the only solution to what led to what happened on Monday night is to reach these young men and young women and turn them around. We can't throw them all of West Baltimore in jail, we can't CONTINUE to sweep West Baltimore under the rug and stare at the Inner Harbor and everything north of Reisterstown Road while there are middle aged people who can't read in Park Heights and North Avenue. We have to eventually do something to reach these young people and change the reality that they live in day in and day out.

We can't do that if we completely and totally ignore the reality of CLINTON's "War on Drug's" and what it has done to these communities. When I've seen the constant harassment with my own eyes it would be insane for me to deny it exists. There is RAMPANT corruption in Baltimore from the city hall to the police.

Great post!

[Liteweight47]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How did the Prosecutor turn this into a race thing? Did you listen to her today?

Let me give you the link to the transcript and quote this part - purely political on her part:

"Last, but certainly not least, to the youth of this city, I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment. This is your moment."

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/201...ges_six_police

More troubling is that the lawyer representing Gray also donated to her campaign for State Attorney. And her husband is on the City Council.

That's not troubling at all. That's called inner city politics. The world of Baltimore politics is very small.

State Attorney Gray is a democratically elected and competent official. I will give her the same respect as I gave the Bob McCullough. As should you.

It should be assumed she will be fair and partial unless a situation comes up that proves otherwise.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Liteweight47

That's not troubling at all. That's called inner city politics. The world of Baltimore politics is very small.

State Attorney Gray is a democratically elected and competent official. I will give her the same respect as I gave the Bob McCullough. As should you.

It should be assumed she will be fair and partial unless a situation comes up that proves otherwise.

"Last, but certainly not least, to the youth of this city, I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment. This is your moment. Let’s ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come. You’re at the forefront of this cause. And as young people, our time is now."

I will wait for that situation to arise, because it will. She responded way too quickly, rushing to judgment and filing criminal charges. By her words, which I have quoted, I highly suspect they were politically motivated. There was no fairness in her words today. She is supposed to be "blind" to these type of words and perception as a state attorney.

And there are going to be problems in places like Baltimore being that blacks comprise 65% of the population and commit 85% of the crimes. That's pretty much the stats in most inner cities.

Don't give me excuses when you have Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Chief Justice Clarence Thomas, Mia Love, Oprah, Obama, Thomas Sowell, George Washington Carver, Sen. Tim Scott and many others who have become successful, not using excuses but working hard.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Liteweight47

The general disconnect is the realization of the fact that there is a coming "police state", and this police state is centered in American cities. The fact is however there are certain groups that have seen "the worst" of the forming police state. Latinos and African Americans HAVE gotten the worst of the Criminal Justice System.

I don't believe I remember the prosecutor turning this into a race thing.

I don't think black cops being involved negates the fact that African Americans and Latinos generally are effected by the criminal justice system more.

Black cops can be as corrupt as white cops. These issues stem from social status and location. I'm less likely to experience an incident of police brutality of this magnitude now, (even though I am African American) because I live in a relatively safe multi-racial neighborhood in the suburbs. In many cities however police officers are known for targeting certain neighborhoods.... maybe because there IS more crime, maybe because there IS a culture of violence amongst young African American youth. But I've seen first hand cops, black, white, and latino who in these neighborhoods in an effort to "show who's boss" have no problem randomly harassing individuals like Gray, randomly picking people up, randomly searching people, etc. It is a part of police state dynamics and it's a serious issue.

Police brutality and corruption in the justice system IS an issue in many inner cities that adversely effects certain groups more than others.

Is this a bigger issue to me then a cultural promotion of violence, gang-life, drug dealing, etc? No.

Is this a bigger issue than a truancy rate of 45% in Freddie Gray's neighborhood? No.

Is this a bigger issue than a nanny welfare state that has single handedly destroyed inner cities and encouraged many hundreds of thousands of African American and Latino families to become dependent on the government? No.

Open borders? No.

However, the only solution to what led to what happened on Monday night is to reach these young men and young women and turn them around. We can't throw them all of West Baltimore in jail, we can't CONTINUE to sweep West Baltimore under the rug and stare at the Inner Harbor and everything north of Reisterstown Road while there are middle aged people who can't read in Park Heights and North Avenue. We have to eventually do something to reach these young people and change the reality that they live in day in and day out.

We can't do that if we completely and totally ignore the reality of CLINTON's "War on Drug's" and what it has done to these communities. When I've seen the constant harassment with my own eyes it would be insane for me to deny it exists. There is RAMPANT corruption in Baltimore from the city hall to the police.

Can you share what you are doing, personally, to help since you say you live in Baltimore?

Because you know what startled and disappointed me? When I saw Bishop TD Jakes jump on the racist bandwagon, flying out to Michael Brown's funeral. He didn't "wait" to see what the investigation turned up. He jumped in with racist Al Sharpton. Jakes sat in a funeral for a boy who was a thief, abusive and who tried to murder a police officer. Shameful and disturbing for our country. People who we once held in some measure of respect - now gone. Where do we go with that narrative? How does anything begin to heal or begin to get fixed with that ridiculous show of support?

[Liteweight47]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

"Last, but certainly not least, to the youth of this city, I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment. This is your moment. Let’s ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come. You’re at the forefront of this cause. And as young people, our time is now."

I will wait for that situation to arise, because it will. She responded way too quickly, rushing to judgment and filing criminal charges. By her words, which I have quoted, I highly suspect they were politically motivated. There was no fairness in her words today. She is supposed to be "blind" to these type of words and perception as a state attorney.

And there are going to be problems in places like Baltimore being that blacks comprise 65% of the population and commit 85% of the crimes. That's pretty much the stats in most inner cities.

Don't give me excuses when you have Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Chief Justice Clarence Thomas, Mia Love, Oprah, Obama, Thomas Sowell, George Washington Carver, Sen. Tim Scott and many others who have become successful, not using excuses but working hard.

1. Let's remember first that she is a PROSECUTOR. In this case she will not be representing the cops she will be representing the City of Baltimore. From the point of indictment until the ruling is handed down "partiality" is out the window. Her job is to prosecute this case with the same passion and fervency as she would any other. I'm pleased that she is.

2. I never once "made an excuse" for anyone. Peoples lives however are far more complex then statistics and political theories. There is a dynamic culture in this society that tells black youths that they fit into this mold. This culture is a product of drug culture. Many of these youths live in societies where the family unit is so destroyed, that they have no guidance. There's an entire generation of inner city youths with no fathers and drug addicted mothers. What on Earth do we do with them? Some will get out. While there are these inner city kids there are suburban black kids just 20 miles away in the DC metro area that love lives far more "privileged" then most white kids. Once YOU and yes I said YOU stop falling into the same Sharptonian trap of being race baited and see this through the eyes of a 21st century American you'll grasp hold to the fact that this is far less about race and more about where you live, who you know, and what you know and the break down of morality and the family. Sharpton is stuck in the 80s and is as irrelevant as anyone. The issue at hand is there are whole communities in inner cities that look like war zones. Personal responsibility has a part but so does culture and horrific policies imposed by dems and reps a like. These issues are far more complex then "Carson, Obama, and Oprah are millionaires why can't you be too?" But nice try....